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    I've been thinking(for several months now) about getting a Ruger Blackhawk single action revolver. Probably 357 mag, not sure on barrel length.

    Thoughts on this one? Or others? The only other pistol I've used before, was the 9mm Beretta in the Army. I'm not all up on pistols though, but I've also thought about the GP100. The Blackhawk comes with longer barrel lengths, though I don't know how much or what that gains you in a pistol.

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    The Ruger Blackhawk, Super Blackhawk and S&W versions of the same gun, whatever caliber , are all good guns. I have various models over the years. The question is, what do you really want it for? If you want it for home or personal protection, a short barrel will work fine. What you gain in barrel length is accuracy. If you aren't planning on shooting much more than across the room, you don't need the long barrel.

    Like I said, what you want the gun for is going to determine what gun you buy. The .357 is a great round, plus you have the added benefit of being able to plink with the cheaper .38 rounds. The caliber is also a deciding factor. For home protection, I like a big caliber, something bigger than a 9mm, as I want to be able to do more than maybe drill some uncomfortable holes through someone.

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    Speedwagon previously posted:
    "GP100"

    Never shot a Blackhawk/Super Blackhawk but I know Ruger's are great guns. We have the GP100 and it's a fun little beast to shoot. You honestly can't go wrong with either. It's nice because at that caliber you can shoot either .38 special or .357 mag

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    Mporter previously posted:
    "Never shot a Blackhawk/Super Blackhawk but I know Ruger's are great guns. We have the GP100 and it's a fun little beast to shoot. You honestly can't go wrong with either. It's nice because at that caliber you can shoot either .38 special or .357 mag"

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    Think 'Dirty Harry' and you will get a good idea of the size of the Blackhawk and Super Blackhawk....The GP 100 with a shorty barrel would be good for personal protection and home defense, but, like most short barreled pistols, is not going to be real accurate past 50'. I can hit torso sized stuff at 50' or under with the stubby S&W Airwieght that I have with either hand or both, but anything more accurate (which I don't need) is beyond the scope of short barreled revolvers.

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    As Brody said, what's your purpose in buying a pistol? If you're thinking of a single action revolver with a long barrel, then concealed carry isn't in your future with it. If you want to look good in a cowboy outfit, then you're set with a Blackhawk. If you want to do a lot of blinking, then consider the cost of the ammo - .22 is real cheap in comparison to the bigger calibers. If you want to feel manly, then don't get a .22.

    Do you understand the function of a single action vs. a double action? I personally wouldn't want a single action as a home defense pistol. I do love the look of those cowboy-esque single action pistols and plinking with them. If you want to twirl a pistol around on your finger, then SA is the way to go if you're crazy enough to do it loaded - a DA can fire if you swirl it around hard enough to depress the trigger.

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    Not thinking of home protection with the Blackhawk. I'd probably go with the P95 or similar, or a DA small revolver for that.

    More thinking about general shooting when I want to, as well as something to carry in the backcountry(hiking, biking, or 4wheeling). And something that would be fun to shoot. The M9 is ok to shoot, but I didn't really find it super fun.

    And yes, I understand the difference between single action and double action.

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    Maybe it was the Army that took the joy out of it. That's what happened with me. Shot an M9 today for my job and the joy is back since I left the Army last month! I have a double action .357 and love it. Like Pete said, you can plink with .38 Special rounds and cut the cost a bit. But, if you're just wanting a backcountry kind of pistol, I'm sure single action would be alright. If I walk up on a snake, though, I wouldn't want to have to worry about cocking. For the record, I hate snakes!

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    .357 rounds are nearly impossible to buy in this country at this time. Local small time gun shops will have them a couple boxes, other than that it's all on back order. Great round though, I used to have a .357 and thoroughly enjoyed shooting it. I don't know much about the Rugers. I've always been a Smith & Wesson guy...

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    I noticed that about .357 rounds. Unless you want .357 Sig, they are hard to come by.

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    Reload if you can.
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    Not sure about the Revolvers, but I have a P-89 that I love and would trust my life with!

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    The 44 S&W Airwieght I have with the stub barrel works great for me in an upside down shoulder holster rig. It is light, crude and effective, compact and carries out of the way of any pack straps. Holds 6 rounds and I usually have some speed loaders with me. And yes, I carry it hammer down on a loaded round....but I know it. My trigger finger is my safety.

    It isn't a fun gun to shoot, but I didn't buy it for plinking, either.

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    tbalcome previously posted:
    "Not sure about the Revolvers, but I have a P-89 that I love and would trust my life with!"

    I had an older Ruger P90 (I have never liked 9mm except for maybe the H&K MP5) that I liked a lot. Same frame as the P89, but in 45. I do not like the way the new trigger guards fit my hand as they dig into the finger below my index finger, so when I went to get a new 45 auto, I went with the Kimbers, which do fit nicely.

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    Go for a 44mag that is what my wife carry's that way you only shoot one time.

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    Jimmy previously posted:
    " If you want to feel manly, then don't get a .22. "

    For me price and availability supersedes my need to feel Manly... Then again, I'm a lady so I don't really need to feel manly either!

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    tonkatoy previously posted:
    "Go for a 44mag that is what my wife carry's that way you only shoot one time."

    I always like this debate of 9mm vs 40, 44, or 45!

    A .22 is the #1 gun in the USA for assassinations (Mafia) so anything more is extra!

    Some the best trained hand gun shooters (Police) in a time of crisis only average to get 4 of 15 shoots in the "kill zone" most full sized 45's only hold 10 - 15 rounds! Where I have 17 round mag's for my 9mm.

    The idea for the 45 rounds for military use was for "knock down" not necessarily for "killing" if you injury people that cannot shoot well and it ties up more people for someone who is injured then someone who is dead! So instead of killing one you injur one and take the time of 1-3 of the his/her companions!

    Food for though!

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    tbalcome previously posted:
    "Some the best trained hand gun shooters (Police) in a time of crisis only average to get 4 of 15 shoots in the "kill zone""

    Yeah...a couple times when I went to the local indoor range (Green Mountain Family Shooting Center) and took my target out of the range, the owners just said "wow that's better than probably 70% of the Lakewood PD that comes in here to do pre-quals"

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    I have 44 Mag Ruger Blackhawk single action revolver w/ 7 1/2" barrel. It is a total Dirty Harry gun. I highly recommend it.
         

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    tbalcome previously posted:
    "The idea for the 45 rounds for military use was for "knock down" not necessarily for "killing" if you injury people that cannot shoot well and it ties up more people for someone who is injured then someone who is dead! So instead of killing one you injur one and take the time of 1-3 of the his/her companions!Food for though!"

    The 45 caliber 1911 was adopted by the military to 'stop' the Moro guerrillas in the Phillipine-American war, replacing the then standard 38. The Moros were known to not only be fierce warriors, but were also known to get pretty wound up with drugs prior to a battle making them very hard to stop. Likewise, the .357 round round was developed primarily for the purpose (no kidding here, either) of stopping 'black people on drugs'...

    This mostly concerns self defense and home defense, so my thought is still the 'two in the chest' and then the security shot in the head. The SOB at that point is simply not going to spring up behind you when you are otherwise occupied and take you out. What you mentioned here is good battle logic, where wounding soldiers does tie up to or three other soldiers, but isn't really applicable to home defense unless you are being assaulted...

    I had a single action 44 Blackhawk for awhile and, while it is a nice gun in all aspects, really isn't the kind of gun you want to pack around for backpacking or back country use. The holster for it is huge. The gun is huge. If you use a leg holster, you are still forced to have to draw a very large barreled handgun. The shoulder holsters are more of the hunting holsters and tend to get in the way of almost anything else except for a belt pack. I picked the shorty 44 for both it's carry ability in a shoulder or clip on belt holster, the stopping power of the 44 round, especially with the 300gr magnum 'bear stopper' rounds, and the fact that I don't have to deal with the huge barrel. I figure that when I have to use this gun, it is going to be in a real emergency situation and I am going to need to get the gun out and a shot off very quickly. This advantage would be lost with the barrel length and weight of the Ruger(or any other) big caliber, long barreled gun.

    If you figure that you are going to have only a few seconds in the backcountry to respond to an animal attack (ie, coming around a blind corner on a trail and stumbling on a mother bear and cubs, with the mother bear then immediately charging you), you are looking at about 1-2 seconds to acquire your gun, the target and shoot. Your next round is going to be against fur. Try doing this any combination of large frame/long barrel hand gun/holster, then figure in the fact that you also are toting a single action that also has to be cocked before you can fire a round and see where you are at with your comfort level. There are certainly people who can do this, don't get me wrong, but unless you are going to spend literally thousands of hours practicing your quick draw, cocking the gun as it is leaving your holster, etc, you are going to be screwed. Moving a large frame/long barreled gun around at anything that approaches speed, not to mention accuracy, approaches the impossible, unless, of course, you practice for hours with it daily.

    I have practiced with my shoulder holster/44 stubby combo enough that I feel I would be able to get ONE critical round off and hit what I aimed at, hence the large caliber. The next round, should I still be able to pull the trigger, would be right against fur. I am by no means a quick draw shooter, but I am also not slow. I have practiced with a pack on in awkward situations in the woods enough to know I can do it....and still figure on only getting one round off....

    Bottom line, it all comes down to what you want the gun for: distance and hunting or speed and protection. Look at the pictures of any of the guys that guide in Alaska with the grizzly bears. Just about all of them will either be carrying an easy to access 45, 44, or 50 in a short frame and/or a shotgun. The latter is usually cut down or in the 18" defense version. If they have a large frame, it is because they are hunting with it.

    And you will also notice, especially if you are a Clint Eastwood fan, that even good 'ol Clint, however badsass and fast he was, doesn't get that 44 or 50 cal Desert Eagle hand cannon out from under his coat very damn fast, breakaway rig or not. If it was a typical "Oh ****!" backwoods animal encounter, Clint would be on the wrong end of the food chain.

    Just some stuff to consider. Anything with a 4 or 5 in the caliber designation has a good chance of stopping pretty much anything, human or animal. Anything below that sometimes just pisses things off, again human or animal. 9mm rounds sometimes just bounce off automotive windshield glass if they hit at an angle and I have had them not penetrate car sheet metal or 1/8" copper. Animal skulls are a lot stronger and denser than either. 9mm rounds are also a lot faster than the 44, 45, 50 rounds and tend to simply make some nice holes rather than break bones or do significant tissue damage. Like I said, a nice round to plink with, and, of course, no one really wants to get shot with anything, so there is going to be a bit of an intimidation factor if you are going to simply threaten someone in your house rather than put them down. I am all for the 'put them down like a rapid dog' approach, myself. Not going to be doing any threatening here, just some trigger pulling until I am the only one twitching...

    Scene from the past, 1988: I was living in a house in the foothills that the owner had up for sale. The agreement was that he was going to call and make arrangements to show the house. I hadn't been feeling all to good, so I had gone to bed early (late afternoon). I am woken up by the sounds of someone coming in through my front door right as it has started to get dark. The bedroom door opening was very close to the front door. I grab the 45 I had and when the door opens homey steps into the house, I had the 45 literally under his nose and was in the process of pulling the trigger. Turns out DS door opener was the house owner, who hadn't called or even knocked on the door. He had two prospective buyers with him, a guy and his wife. Well he stopped for sure and I pointed the gun at the ceiling. Prospective buyer's DS wifey goes "Oh my! Is that loaded?" Well, no ****, DA...I simply pulled the trigger and put a round into the ceiling and out the roof. Needless to say, he didn't sell the property to these stupid people and he never again tried to sell the property without first making sure that I knew about it. I hadn't even gotten mad yet, either....

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    i agree with Pete on this one. For wilderness protection you need at least a .44. a .357 might work around here if you got a lucky shot. I won't carry anything less than a 44mag though. I throw my recommendation at this: Name:  329PD..gif
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Size:  168.8 KB. They also make an ultra compact version known as the 329PD Alaskan Backpacker. It's got a 2.5" barrel opposed to the 4" on mine.

    Pete and I have the same gun, he'll vouch that shooting the magnum rounds through it is no fun, but it's light. It only weighs 25 oz unloaded. Loaded will nearly double the weight. The .44spc rounds are actually fun to shoot as long as you get a light load. Ammo is expensive for it, but if you reload it's not too bad. The gun is also rather pricey, most shops want $1300 for it. I would recommend going to Gunsport located in Boulder at: 1707 14th Street, Boulder 303-938-1396. They're cheap and have good customer service. It is in Boulder so expect to have some a-hole attempt to hit you in his car while you're walking out of the shop. Luckily by this time you'll be armed

    Just for fun, here's a video of a girl at a range shooting the gun:

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