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    I am pissed right now...

    I work with a guy who has trouble concentrating on work when he's here, Netflix movies and facebook games all night long. When he's not here it's usually contributed to a sick kid or a sick wife or both. He's fostering 5 kids and has a total of nine, 3 of which were just recently acquired. My hats off to someone who would take in 5 kids that aren't their own, but he had trouble sitting his ass down for a whole shift without having to leave because one of them pooped or puked on the floor and his wife wouldn't clean it up when he had 6, why in the heck would you ask the state for 3 more?!?!?!?

    The other night she called him right in the middle of the shift to come home and deal with a kid that was crying, get this she DOESN'T HAVE A JOB, she's a stay at home mom. We work in an environment which requires at least two people on shift per contract agreements with customers, but not only that it would just be a straight b!tch for someone to have to go at it alone. The schedule changed this week and for this week only we were allowed to either come in at 9 and leave at 7 AM or come in at 10 and leave at 8AM. The day before yesterday he came in at 10 and left at 7, he doesn't think I noticed, but I did, not to mention he called in yesterday b/c his wife was sick, someone had to come in and cover for him and work with me.

    This morning we're a little short staffed, I expected to be able to leave thinking he would do the right thing and stay with the lone day shift person until the next guy got here at 9, WRONG! He uprooted and sprinted toward the door right at 7!!!!! I am on the edge of talking to the boss, I could deal with the movie watching and game playing when it's dead, but when there's something to do put the sh!t away. He won't lift a finger until the movie makes it through to the next scene or he won't pause a game until he's at the next level. Then there's the coming in late and leaving early or just not coming in at all.

    You'd think with that many mouths to feed at home you would do whatever it takes to be here on time and perform to the best of your abilities with the way the job market is right now, I guess he doesn't think so, am I wrong for saying something to the boss? I have told him several times to put the games and movies away, nicely and nasty, just doesn't seem soak in!

    Sorry for the rant, needed to vent more than anything!

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    I think you should talk to a manager/boss/higher up. That's bullsh*t right there.

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    i wouldnt have a problem talking to the boss. I dont know your work at all, but in most cases that lack of work being accomplished probably reflects poorly on you as well, if the boss cant differenciate between his work and yours. Like I said, dont know what you do, so that may or may not apply. But like you said, Job market is tight right now, and you need to everything you can to make sure you look good with the company, and this guy shouldnt be dragging down the performance of the night shift, or adding to your work load because he is lazy. Besides, maybe if he gets fired or formally repremanded he will learn something about being an adult.

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    scout man previously posted:
    "in most cases that lack of work being accomplished probably reflects poorly on you as well, if the boss cant differenciate between his work and yours.."

    Yeah that's a factor too, we're here at night with zero supervision, so if something happens and doesn't get worked come morning it's an ass chewing to both not just one, the boss really has no idea who was doing what when the issue came up.

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    The state pays you for foster kids. He probably wants to get fired.

    Document everything he does and send a report to the boss nightly. He'll be force to 'shape up or ship out'.

    Avoid verbal conversations or opinion. Put all of the facts in writing.

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    He found what he thinks is a money machine - kids. Doesn't sound like she's fit to care for then and he's not fit to have a job. Talk to the boss and get his @ss fired.

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    JeffX previously posted:
    "Avoid verbal conversations or opinion. Put all of the facts in writing."

    X2, just don't obsess over the deal.

    In my workplace we are all about teamwork. Nobody is too special to help out or lend a hand, BUT, if I have to do your job for you, I want your paycheck too.

    I would imagine your supervisor has the ability to monitor response times for individuals. I'd bring it to his attention, he can take it from there.
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    ive had to do similar stuff like this...

    The way i look at it, if it starts to affect my job performance (which looks like it is affecting you) That is when you bring it to the boss.

    Dont give opinions, state facts and how it i affecting your ability to do your job and request an investigation. Sometimes they will ride the train and get away with it but if you get enough paperwork together than you can get him fired/moved, whatever...

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    He probably wants to get fired, as has been stated above, just so that he can get the money from the state for the foster kids, and unemployment so that he can just be at home allday.

    Get proof of what he is doing, and go talk to your boss,
    If you have proof, the company can refute him getting unemployment.
    He'll learn pretty quickly how to be an adult if that were to happen
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    Zatticus previously posted:
    ".....go talk to your boss...."

    Email your boss. The reason it needs to be in writing is because your boss's memory may change what you said after a day or two. That could make you look like a liar. If it's in writing, with no editorial additions, it will have the most impact.

    Don't worry about this guy's unemployment. Worry about yourself. Most likely, even if fired for a good reason, he will still be eligible. The most important thing is to get him to pull his weight or leave.

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    Well it's a done deal, I hear what you're saying Jeff, I have had instances like that in the past where the managements memory has faded and an email would have been better suited.

    I talked to him when he came in this morning though. The good thing about my boss was he was on the floor doing what I do now, we worked side by side for about 4 years and he had the pleasure of working with the asshat in question. At the time, I was in a different group working the same tech, my boss and this guy worked the same shift. For 6 months because of his wife having a broken ankle he was given the opportunity to "work" from home, I put work in parenthesis because he was never at his computer, didn't do much of anything and you couldn't get a hold of him when you called his house during the shift according to my boss, he told me his days are numbered. This came up b/c on the guys way out this morning he said, "I was forced to take paid time off yesterday, they wouldn't let me work from home, so working overtime today won't do me much good." Him not doing anything at home for those 6 months, has lost him the privilege of working remote.

    Turns out when he submitted his time before leaving he put down 10 PTO hours instead of 12, so there's another nail in the coffin. My boss is going to talk to the other supervisor about moving him to a different shift for the time being, where there is more than two people where it's not so much of an impact if he calls in. The guy they are thinking of moving to my shift to replace asshat, is a hard worker, so there's light at the end of the tunnel.

    I have picked the guy up on snow days, so I have seen where he lives, it's a small house for 11 people. 1,500 sq ft. according to him, I am shocked that the state would allow 9 children to stay in that small of a house.

    I agree Chris, she's not fit to parent those kids, the day she called him to come home to clean up the diarrhea on the floor, he couldn't leave so she put some newspaper over it until he got home.

    Thanks guys for the comments!

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    RockyMtnHigh previously posted:
    "the day she called him to come home to clean up the diarrhea on the floor, he couldn't leave so she put some newspaper over it until he got home"


    ......

    How, is it even possible, that they have 9 kids to take care of?

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    JeffX previously posted:
    "Email your boss. The reason it needs to be in writing is because your boss's memory may change what you said after a day or two. That could make you look like a liar. If it's in writing, with no editorial additions, it will have the most impact.

    Don't worry about this guy's unemployment. Worry about yourself. Most likely, even if fired for a good reason, he will still be eligible. The most important thing is to get him to pull his weight or leave."

    When Scoutman went through his unemployment trial after our previous employer tried to skimp out on paying for it, we found out that its pretty hard to not be eligible for unemployment when terminated. They pretty much have to show that he was willfully and obviously doing things to get himself fired, and they have to be able to give documented proof of it too (i.e. writeups and numerous verbal warnings and the reasons for them). So on that front you really shouldn't be worried. He'll get UI.

    I agree with everything everyone else has said otherwise. If they are truly effecting your ability to perform your job happily and professionally, then its at least worth having a chat with the boss (and as JeffX said, documenting it and making it clear exactly what you mean).

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    Zatticus previously posted:
    "How, is it even possible, that they have 9 kids to take care of?"

    I don't know honestly, but at first I kind of felt bad for the guy. If she is that way I can only imagine how much time he has for himself at home, which may have explained the movie and game playing at work. We used to have a larger group of people working for us and you didn't notice the slackers all that much, there were others that were pulling their weight or at least half of it. Now, it's two of us and if one is too busy doing stuff like this, the other has to carry all the weight. I feel like an a-hole saying anything, but I need someone who is going to work and leave the personal crap at the door when they walk in, especially now that we're taking back more stuff that was outsourced.

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    RockyMtnHigh previously posted:
    "Well it's a done deal, I hear what you're saying Jeff, I have had instances like that in the past where the managements memory has faded and an email would have been better suited.

    I talked to him when he came in this morning though. The good thing about my boss was he was on the floor doing what I do now, we worked side by side for about 4 years and he had the pleasure of working with the asshat in question. At the time, I was in a different group working the same tech, my boss and this guy worked the same shift. For 6 months because of his wife having a broken ankle he was given the opportunity to "work" from home, I put work in parenthesis because he was never at his computer, didn't do much of anything and you couldn't get a hold of him when you called his house during the shift according to my boss, he told me his days are numbered. This came up b/c on the guys way out this morning he said, "I was forced to take paid time off yesterday, they wouldn't let me work from home, so working overtime today won't do me much good." Him not doing anything at home for those 6 months, has lost him the privilege of working remote.

    Turns out when he submitted his time before leaving he put down 10 PTO hours instead of 12, so there's another nail in the coffin. My boss is going to talk to the other supervisor about moving him to a different shift for the time being, where there is more than two people where it's not so much of an impact if he calls in. The guy they are thinking of moving to my shift to replace asshat, is a hard worker, so there's light at the end of the tunnel.

    I have picked the guy up on snow days, so I have seen where he lives, it's a small house for 11 people. 1,500 sq ft. according to him, I am shocked that the state would allow 9 children to stay in that small of a house.

    I agree Chris, she's not fit to parent those kids, the day she called him to come home to clean up the diarrhea on the floor, he couldn't leave so she put some newspaper over it until he got home.

    Thanks guys for the comments!"

    Depending on how you feel about it, you could always call CDHS and report child neglect, if you believe it is happening in this home. Getting in people's personal affairs is a touchy subject, but only you can answer, based on what you know, if they are possibly neglecting some of those kids. If they are, would you really want the kids to suffer because the adults are morons(or looking for a cash cow)?

    RockyMtnHigh previously posted:
    "I don't know honestly, but at first I kind of felt bad for the guy. If she is that way I can only imagine how much time he has for himself at home, which may have explained the movie and game playing at work. We used to have a larger group of people working for us and you didn't notice the slackers all that much, there were others that were pulling their weight or at least half of it. Now, it's two of us and if one is too busy doing stuff like this, the other has to carry all the weight. I feel like an a-hole saying anything, but I need someone who is going to work and leave the personal crap at the door when they walk in, especially now that we're taking back more stuff that was outsourced."

    You shouldn't feel like a jerk for wanting him to do his job. If he isn't doing his job(honestly isn't), then it is your duty to report that to your boss. It's not your job to pick up after a full grown adult at work, unless you work at a nursing home.

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    JeffX previously posted:
    "Email your boss. The reason it needs to be in writing is because your boss's memory may change what you said after a day or two. That could make you look like a liar. If it's in writing, with no editorial additions, it will have the most impact.

    Don't worry about this guy's unemployment. Worry about yourself. Most likely, even if fired for a good reason, he will still be eligible. The most important thing is to get him to pull his weight or leave."

    The best advice yet on this one, seen it too many times here with some of our supervisors. We have a few guys like that here one is always on the phone to a girlfriend and not his wife(I do not even think she knows) all night long and the computer too. He was turned in to our supervisor and was written up but the only thing it has changed so far is now its changed to constant emails all night and hearing "YO YO YO you have a message" is really un-nerving, but the boss is now watching him and getting ready to take it to another level which could be time off (30-45days) w/o pay. I could see him try to explain to his wife why he is home w/o pay.

    Overall all document it all and present it to your boss then it is on the boss to handle.

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    Speedwagon previously posted:
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    I kind of draw the line there, while to me it's disgusting to leave crap on the floor under some newspaper until he gets home, I have to wonder how much worse these kids had it to end up in his home. Hearing him talk, he spends a lot of time with the kids doing things. I just need someone to that is willing to work when he's there and not be bothered at work by an incompetent mother/wife. I wouldn't even be bothered if she were to call him, it's just the demands of coming home now and dealing with a crying child that gets me.

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    RockyMtnHigh previously posted:
    "Getting in people's personal affairs is a touchy subject"

    My daughter works with Special Needs kids and by law is required to call child protection when she she's anything suspicious. She did it last summer on some neighbors who sound very similar to this guy. Your call may remain anonymous but they are probably as understaffed and overworked as your are Jock and it may take a long time to get a response.

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    I know your rant was not about his foster care/useless wife situation but this facet was what drew my attention. My mom and her sisters were warehoused in a place like this, but much worse. This family needs some intervention and the caseworker should be made aware of the unsanitary conditions these kids seem to be exposed to. Please call your county hotline. If you are Adams, and you are most likely since your address is Commerce City:

    Please do not email or fax reports of child abuse or neglect as that might delay response. Please call our hotline at 303.412.5212 as soon as possible. ... 450 South 4th Avenue | Brighton, Colorado 80601 | 303.659.2120 | 800.824.7842 ...

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    Well Stephanie, the last three kids have gone back to live with their grandparents, turns out they are the only ones who were foster kids, the other 6 are theirs naturally or adopted.

    Dingle berry himself is still an issue...He was talked to the following week and seemed to straighten out for 2 days, then went back to Netflix and Desktop Defender. Day before yesterday he spent the entire 10 hour shift playing that stupid game and watching seasons of 24 non-stop at the same time. He came in last night and continued to do the same thing again, until the 1:30AM phone call from his wife demanding that he come home immediately as she was vomiting and couldn't take care of the kids. I am not sure why in the hell kids are up and about at 1:30 in the morning and need to be looked after, but she needed him home to do it, oh and apparently he needed to clean up after her also. I could actually hear her through the phone screaming to come after he told her he needed to get clearance to leave, none the less without permission or being given the okay, he left at 1:45AM.

    Things get really good attention and get addressed rather quickly when the co-worker who has been left alone starts calling supervisors and managers at 1:45 in the morning (I was 2 minutes away from calling the director as none of them were answering their phones), something about being woken up in a dead sleep doesn't sit well with them for silliness of this sort and it was finally an off-duty supervisor who called me back. The paper trail that Jeff suggested has also begun. The off-duty supervisor called him and dingle berry proceeded to tell him he was going to log in remotely as soon as he got home, that's not what he told me, he said if I needed anything I could call him and he would log in. Not really sure how someone intends on doing their job, taking care of children and holding his wife's hair out of the toilet is going to do all that at the same time, I guess it's possible though since he can play games and watch TV at the same time. That doesn't really matter though as he was told by our supervisor that he had lost privileges of logging in remotely 3 weeks ago, so that didn't sit well when the boss found out not only did he leave in the middle of the shift, but also went against something he was specifically told he could no longer do!

    Tonight will be interesting to say the least! I am no longer getting pissed about it, just giving my report and watching his excuses fly!

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