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    Which kind? There are a couple different ones I know of. The main kind replaces the bolts that hold the spindle on with studs and nuts. IMHO its a "nice to have but not necessary" kind of thing. You have to bolt through like 8 layers of stuff when you put those bolts on, so its nice to have the studs there already. Its completely doable without them though.

    The other stud kit you can do is the ARP or hardened steering arm studs. Once you start adding lockers and hydro assist stuff, its more common to shear those studs off. Not the greatest thing to have happen. The ARP hardened ones pretty much solve the issue. You can also do like I did and add a 5th stud. Have a look in my thread "extreme build" thread for a writeup. For what you have right now, I think you'd be fine with the stock ones though. The ARP are $85 from Front Range Offroad, so they aren't cheap. Brody said we might be able to find something similar at a fastener place for cheaper, but not sure.

    All that stuff is something to think about, but if you can't afford it right now its not necessary. Two mods to think about doing that are cheaper are the rock rings and the Longfield "lifetime wiper seals". $20 for the Rock Rings and $35 for the Wiper Seals. Both are much beefier and a worth upgrade.

    Low Range Offroad is a great one stop place to get a bunch of different brands of stuff at the same time. They are the only place I have seen that carries Marlin, Longfield, and Trail Gear at the same time. Pretty cool. Here is a link to their "axles" page....

    http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index...axles.html?p=1

    They tend to stock stuff, and are in Utah so it gets here a bit quicker too. Sean, the owner, has always treated me well and they have good deals.

    JH

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    Haku previously posted:
    " Brody said we might be able to find something similar at a fastener place for cheaper, but not sure.JH"

    AAA Metric in Downtown Denver 17th and Larimer. Almost all of the other hub bolt uprades (to 12.8 Metric) can be purchased at almost any ACE Hardware store for about $1.50 or less each. Quite a bit cheaper than the $70 kit for the same BS. Most ACE store carry metric studs, too, for about $1.00 each. Save some money and make a trip down there.

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    oh for sure, that is a lot cheaper than the kit. I will be making a trip to ace when I do my rebuild. thanks brody!

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    anyone know the thread pitch of the knuckle studs? I found out mine already has them, but one of them is sheared off.

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    They are m10 1.25 thread pitch, according to a dude on Pirate. You are talking about the spindle stud kit right? You have to differentiate between them since there are 3 different kinds.

    Just an FYI, the ARP steering arm studs are significantly harder and stronger then a 12.8 rated stud you'll get from AAA Metric. They are made of Chromoly steel and rated at nearly twice the breaking strength. Grade 12.8 Metric studs are 1220 MegaPascals, which is somewhere around 150,000 psi tensile strength. The ARP Studs are rated to 220,000 PSI in their most recent version (started out being 190k psi). Specially made for Front Range by ARP, hence the large price diffrence (steering studs are $89 and hub studs are $69). I figured there was a reason for that, and found out why.

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    I think I will eventually get the ARB kit, but for now, I am more just looking for a temp replacement for the one that is missing. I'll just get one at ace for now until I can afford the ARB . thanks Josh

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    Which stud did you break? One of the steering ones arm ones?

    Like I said, you have to differentiate between them, since there are 3 different ones on the knuckle that are completely different.

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    it's one of the four steering arm i think. right behind the rotor

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    So its one of these....



    not one a stud put into one of these holes...



    The first are the steering arm ones (which all knuckles have), and the second would be there if the PO had upgraded to the spindle stud kit. If its the ones in the first picture, then make super sure that they are good quality studs. Not sure you'll be able to find that one at Ace, might have to go to a more specialist fastener type place like that AAA Metric place Brody talked about.

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    yes, it is the one in the first picture. one of them is just missing. anyone know of a specialty store in the springs?

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    Oh, and the size I gave you earlier was the ones for the second picture not the first. I believe that the steering arm studs are m12x1.5 for the part that goes down into the knuckle. Toyota, in their infinite wisdom, made them different thread pitches on the top then the bottom, so its m12x1.25 thread pitch on the part that sticks out.

    I think you might be better off trying to find a solid axled rig at a Junkyard and getting a whole knuckle, or maybe finding someone with a spare knuckle that would let you have one of the studs. I have a spare knuckle up here, but its a long drive for a single stud.

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    I've got a spare steering knuckle stud if you want one. I kept all my studs when I upgraded to ARP's (not ARB's ). If you want one, PM me your address and I'll throw one in the mail. Like JH said, 12.8 metric is an OK upgrade but APR's are the way to go once to get to big tires and hydro assist steering. I've actually broken an ARP after letting the knuckle studs get loose on Blanca last year. That's way I suggest you checking those knuckle stud nuts after every trip.

    Let me know about those knuckle studs.

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    that would be awesome, I'll pm you my addy

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    got some work done today. got my new air compressor installed, and got all of my wiring cleaned up. also removed to CB wire/antennas because I am going to re-locate them to the roof for better reception. the wire was very old and brittle, so time for a replacement. At my new house, I didn't have a place for my little 4 drawer too chest on wheels. My friend suggested to take the wheels off and mount it in the back of the yota for a trail tool box. It fit perfectly in there and will hold all the tools and parts I need. also got about 1000 sunflower seeds cleaned out from an incident on the anniv. run anyone know a good place in the springs to get cb stuff?

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    also did a bit of testing how the new toolbox would stay on steep hills:



    it was pretty steep lol. ebrake would not hold it

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    Not in the springs. But Radio Service Center is where I get all my stuff.

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    got the new CB antennas mounted today, the mount is right above the drivers and passengers door. got both antennas, mounts and a dual cable for 50 bucks at the truck stop down in fountain also got the air system buttoned up and tested it out.. works good. went down and got an allignment, oil change, and tires rotated. I love payday

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    Volcom previously posted:
    " I've actually broken an ARP after letting the knuckle studs get loose on Blanca last year. That's way I suggest you checking those knuckle stud nuts after every trip. Let me know about those knuckle studs."

    Hey Brad

    Whatever you do with the knuckle studs (and the ARPs are certainly the way to go if the $$ are there), when you get them torqued down to the right specs, take some finger nail polish or a good visibility paint (white/silver/yellow) and mark a line across the top of the knuckle stud and nut. That way you can just look over the top of the tire to see if they have gotten loose or not. Still a good idea to check them every time you do a routine tightening of everything you can get a wrench on. I do this routinely about every two weeks and do it more often during good weather, especially before each wheeling trip. It is also a good idea to simply check everything under the rig visually when you do this: see what is rubbing, bushings getting worn, u joints wearing, cracks in welds, belts or hoses getting worn or cracked, etc, etc....and etc. Trail repairs usually suck wind for everyone involved. The more you can do to prevent them, the better off you are going to be...

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    foxtrot previously posted:
    "also got the air system buttoned up and tested it out.. works good."

    Good! Hope it works out for you! You running any air tanks in that too, or just straight out of the compressor?

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    FWIW, I didn't find any better performance using tanks on mine so eliminated them.

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