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    Day 5 - last day (day 4) on HITR:
    The get out day was a lot like the first day - just in reverse. Mostly bumpy road with one good section of slickrock, and of course some gas stress.




    Fuel got a bit tight for the white flat fender - they carried total of 19 gal, so some excess coleman fuel was used (including the little bit left in the classic Svea stove!)...and a bit of fuel from one of the others got them home.


    We checked out the half-track a bit:



    And we all made it out! Who is ready to join next year! I'll work on vids tomorrow as its supposed to be snowy here....
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    Jen took two video's of the recovery. I sliced them down to a shorter compilation.
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    Here is Doug making the grey mesa ledge look easy!
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    I was happy to get up this year!
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    So Kenton in the blue cj had the most 'original', least built jeep along...it is a 1962, and thus before the v6 that Doug and I run in our 1970 cj's. Also, Doug and I run modern e-locker in the rear axle, and I have a lock-rite in the front. Doug also has an old school authentic powerlock limited slip in the front, and we both have some additional gearing to help with crawl ratio. Kenton's 62 is almost as it would have rolled off the factory floor, minus a small lift and some 31 inch radial MTs. The F134 inline 4cyl, with a t90 trans (3.3 1st gear), the OEM 2.46 transfer case gears, as well as OEM 5.38 axle gears, and most notably - OPEN diffs front and rear! That is a crawl ratio of only 43 or so, goofy through the floor pedals with awkward linkages, manual steering and of course, we all love carbs!
    He had to work it quite a bit...but impressive for 60 year old tech!
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    I vote we name this obstacle "James's Hot Tub'

    Amazing trip you guys had! Love the photos and videos.

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    I completed my photo set.

    Since several have already been posted here, I'll do a drive-by with a URL:

    www.JimWilliamson.net/automobile/2023-10-16--trail--hole-in-the-rock/
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    Holey Moley! Glad you didn't get hurt and the Jeep made it too.

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    What's left of my brake drum after rich took the cut-off wheel to it. I don't see any reason to keep running the D18 drum....this is the third one I've seen get smashed. They are not easy to field change as fiddling with a puller is needed and that pulling the yoke to get it off drains the case of oil which is a PITA in the field (heck, it's a PITA in my garage). In the long run the rear cap will get replaced with the shorter non-brake cap to help save an inch for driveshaft with T18 swap and rear wheel parking brake set-up. Just want to make it road worthy for now.



    The backing plate is bent up a bit, but some of that is old damage from over the years....I used to feel some nostalgia for the D18 drum....kind of like the pedals and manual steering, but no more...





    This should be good for now....got rid of all of it. Lots more space under there now - can bend that skid up even higher! Got rid of the pivot bar and spring etc as well. Just tied up the brake pull cable for now on top of the skid...may need a better solution at some point with a proper dust shield yoke, but hopefully this is just temporary in its own right. It'll need some fluid topped off, and a quick drive around to ensure fluid doesn't puke out the D18 output - don't think I damaged the output seal, but check it just in case before heading to Idaho this weekend with it.
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    Very cool! I still haven’t made it back to finish this trail……. Maybe next spring
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    That backing plate looks to be well coated in lube. As you commented - an issue that makes the brake pads near useless.

    Hydraulic line locks or moving to some cable operated parking brake?

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    Jim previously posted:
    "That backing plate looks to be well coated in lube. As you commented - an issue that makes the brake pads near useless.

    Hydraulic line locks or moving to some cable operated parking brake?"

    Not as oily as I expected it to be - maybe all the dust caked up the oil. The very liquid gear oil is from having to pull the yoke off the D18 output before you can remove the drum and backing plate. The output seal sits around the yoke, so one its pulled, the oil in the case can pour out between the seal and output shaft. That is one of the reasons we didn't want to remove the yoke in the field and went with the cut the drum method. Short term, I will run without a parking brake (or yoke dust cover) - but functionally that is basically what I have had for years anyway. Pulling the parking brake lever is a sort of placebo effect. Long term, the plan going forward will be upgrade the rear brakes to include a parking brake function....I have a set that I was about to put on the 58 wagon - once I figure that out, and if it works nicely, I'll probably do the same with the cj. Its basically the 11" drum brakes that came on later CJ5/7s, and they are pretty much bolt on....I run the equivalent 11" drums on the front of the CJ. The only part I am not sure about is how to get the mechanical pull cable set up right. Also, when/if i get around to swapping the trans, I will replace that rear cap on the D18 with a shorter one that was used from the factory without parking brake mount. That inch shorter will really help offset some additional length that comes with the 4 speed, and help keep the rear driveshaft as long as possible - every inch counts in such a short wheelbase rig.
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    If you need a cable made, I believe this is the company I purchased my longer parking brake cables from:

    https://www.controlcables.com/parking-brake-cables-2/

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    When we ran elephant hill, on the way south towards the joint trail, there was a deep, sharp washout that the trail crossed that kind of came out of nowhere.....I think Jim cam across the radio and wondered if this is where the Trail Mater video of the jeep that ripped its front axle off might have happened...I went back and dug around the forum 4x4 vids category and found it....I think he's right....and if you haven't seen the Trail Mater recovery rig, its pretty cool. Their shop is on the south end of Moab....The location and broken jeep starts around the 6min mark, but if you like front digs, you'll enjoy the entire recovery operation.
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    Good find.

    That cross "ditch" looks about right to me / from what we experienced to what the vid shows.

    A costly "oops".

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    Jim previously posted:
    "Good find.

    That cross "ditch" looks about right to me / from what we experienced to what the vid shows.

    A costly "oops"."

    And if you watch them pull the rig out, one of the first tough spots they have to negotiate is the tight turn with ledge that is out on south end going to the joint trail....this spot:
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    Wow what an awesome story! Thanks for the great write up. Laughed out loud at "James's Hot Tub" My back should be healed up by the spring, I'll keep an eye out for anybody organizing a trip back out that way
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    One for James - driveline parking brake drum...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4lc5FhY670

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    Jim previously posted:
    "One for James - driveline parking brake drum...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4lc5FhY670"

    No longer have mine....without parking brake entirely....my intent is to eventually replace the rear bearing cap and yoke with ones designed to be without the brake when I do the 4 speed swap. It'll help my gain back some of the driveshaft length I'll loose with the longer trans. It's only like an inch and a half, but every inch counts when it's this short.
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