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    open_circuit previously posted:
    "I was going to look up the transmit power of these based on the model number, but it looks like the XRS 9370 might be a radar detector and not a radio. Is that the correct manual and part number for these?"

    My bad I guess I don’t have a manual. They are model PR 955VP. .5 and 2 watt.

    https://www.cnet.com/products/cobra-...adio-frs-gmrs/

    Manual is here
    https://www.fixya.com/support/p13073...o/manual-44129
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    open_circuit previously posted:
    "Those Baofeng radios are great if you take time to set them up. I didn't mention them because you can't buy one and immediately use it out of the box safely. They require programming to correct frequencies before use. If you take a new one and try to use it, it could be previously programmed to access channels in use by emergency services, for instance, and you could easily get yourself noticed in a bad way. As long as you program them properly, they can be responsibly used."

    I am set up to program these if anyone wants me to do that for them. It would take all of about 15-20 mins.
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    Excited to see this thread. I picked up a gmrs unit a couple of months ago and haven't gotten around to installing it yet but now that I see others have one I'll try to get to it before the New Years Day run.

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    My little <2W radios worked well in a test in the neighborhood and for the kids to use while hiking around when we stopped on the trail run last weekend. We got about 0.5 mile of range on low power (0.5W) FRS channels with houses and trees everywhere here. I'd expect better range on the trail with the higher power channels if terrain isn't too problematic.

    We did not use the radios for the trail run since everyone except Steve-O had a CB and I didn't think to hand Steve-O a radio to test out on the trail. My bad. If everyone is on one type of radio that works well enough, I just want to use one (FRS, CB, etc). There's too much going on during a trail run to try to operate several radios while driving a trail rig with a manual transmission!

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    I just bought a set of Motorola T600s as well, looking forward to trying them out
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    Mine arrived today. Free shipping from B&H photo ended up being FedEx AIR from the east coast (NJ). NJ to TN, TN to CO. Arrived a day earlier than anticipated.

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    I haven't figured out where I am going to try to put this radio while I'm driving. I have a convenient mount for my CB mic/speaker.

    Edit: I'm going to make the bracket this helpful poster made and provided directions for. Looks perfect for my use.

    https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/...-for-tj.19226/

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    So, I've been reading the box and owner's "sheet" (ha - "manual", um, not!). I see no reference to GMRS and license required. I see one reference to FRS not requiring a license.

    I went poking about and found this curious web site:
    https://www.buytwowayradios.com/blog...ense_free.html

    Essentially, there is a short list of GMRS radios which require a license (this Motorola T600 is not on the list) and a large decider is greater than 2 watts of power and/or is REPEATER CAPABLE.

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    Jim previously posted:
    "So, I've been reading the box and owner's "sheet" (ha - "manual", um, not!). I see no reference to GMRS and license required. I see one reference to FRS not requiring a license.

    I went poking about and found this curious web site:
    https://www.buytwowayradios.com/blog...ense_free.html

    Essentially, there is a short list of GMRS radios which require a license (this Motorola T600 is not on the list) and a large decider is greater than 2 watts of power and/or is REPEATER CAPABLE."

    It appears the licensing section of the manual was updated in the version I received with my radios also, compared with the version I linked above from Motorola's product page for these radios. The manual linked on the Moto site (https://www.motorolasolutions.com/co...erGuide_EN.pdf) is copyright 2016 (marked as version MN002226A01-AA) and has a section on GMRS licensing. The manual that came with my radio is copyright 2016 and 2019 (marked as version MN002226A01-AF) and only discusses that FRS radios do not require an additional license. It is curious that Motorola still has an older manual linked on their website

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    Jim,

    It's funny that you cite www.buytwowayradios.com as I was going to suggest that as a resource. All of the rules around FRS and GMRS seem to be way more confusing than they should be, but the folks at that little company seem to make a pretty good effort to try and unravel that and discuss it in their blog and in various other places around the internet.

    My take is that the FCC screwed up years ago by letting manufacturers get type certification for combined FRS and GMRS radios and the 2017 rule changes were an attempt to deal with all of the unlicensed GMRS use as a result of that and clarify the rules moving forward. I think that effort also made some other little facets of these issues confusing as well, like when a manufacturer neglects to update their documentation on their website to reflect those changes.

    The way the rules are now it appears that a radio can be certified as a GMRS or an FRS radio, not both, but they share so many of the same frequencies that FRS and GMRS users can talk to each other more or less seamlessly. FRS could maybe be viewed as a stepping stone to GMRS from an offroad users perspective. Then with an upgrade to GMRS you get more power, mobile units detachable antennas that can be placed outside of the metal passenger compartment of some vehicles, and a handful of extra channels that are used as repeater inputs.

    Based on some of my tinkering with amateur handhelds, I think FRS radios used in Jeeps will work pretty well for trail communications if the speaker is adequately loud enough. I think vehicles with metal roofs will run into issues with reduced reception but may ultimately be usable on the trail. These things are usually sold in pairs so maybe some folks here on the fence can borrow one on a trail run to see if it works for them.

    Another thing that I think is pretty cool about www.buytwowayradios.com is that they seem to make an effort to listen to their customers and then work with Chinese radio manufacturers to manufacturer products that meet their needs. They have been working with Wouxun (pronounced like Ocean) to make FRS, GMRS, and MURS radios with power outputs much closer to the legal limit, and other customer requested features and then ensure those models actually go though legit FCC certification for those services. (unlike rugged radios, although they seem to be making an effort to get in compliance now) I think with any of these chinese radios you have a much greater risk of getting a lemon, but there is some value in the feature set that offsets that risk for some consumers. You dont see that feedback loop with a Midland, Cobra, or Uniden. The way it works out because Wouxun tends to use a common chassis is one could have one of several Amateur Radio handhelds, and a GMRS handheld (or any other service) that use the same batteries, chargers, and accessories which might be cool.

    That last bit sounds like a plug. Sorry about that. I just think its so interesting that the feedback loop between customer, supplier, and manufacturer is so much tighter in this case.

    Lastly, back in August of this year the FCC proposed some rule changes regarding their entire fee system for wired and wireless licencing. Two little pieces of that proposed change: They want to start charging fees for Amateur radio licencees (new licences, upgrades, vanity call signs) of $50. Previously one would only pay the VEs to administer the test... I paid $15, but pay the FCC nothing. They also propose reducing the GMRS licence fee from $70 to $50. In a nutshell they seemed to put a lot of effort into looking at their cost structures for business licencing and broadcast licencing, but then seemed to just drop a standard $50 on any personal radio licence related fee. So bad news for hams, good news for people looking at GMRS. I think its in the comment phase.. I'm not sure when this may or may not be slated for implementation.

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    To follow up on this thread, we all used gmrs/frs at Bunce a couple of weeks ago and for me it was hands down better than cb. One of the handhelds struggled a bit, but even the handhelds did great. I had the tiniest external antenna I've ever seen, not even a foot long, certainly not bouncing around on the back of my rig like my cb antenna and even so I could hear everyone clearly all day.

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    Looks like the new FCC radio licence fee schedule was approved.

    https://www.buytwowayradios.com/blog...ense-fees.html
    https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachme...C-20-184A1.pdf

    A 10 year GMRS licence dropped from $70 to $35. They initially proposed $50, but it looks like the feedback they received made them decide to lower it. That covers one's immediate family, which according to 47 CFR part 95 is:

    "Immediate family members are the licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws."

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/95.1705

    Amateur radio licence fees went from $0 to $35. That's a bit of a bummer.

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    Trevor? previously posted:
    "Looks like the new FCC radio licence fee schedule was approved.

    https://www.buytwowayradios.com/blog...ense-fees.html
    https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachme...C-20-184A1.pdf

    A 10 year GMRS licence dropped from $70 to $35. They initially proposed $50, but it looks like the feedback they received made them decide to lower it. That covers one's immediate family, which according to 47 CFR part 95 is:

    "Immediate family members are the licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws."

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/95.1705

    Amateur radio licence fees went from $0 to $35. That's a bit of a bummer."

    Just went on the fcc licensing page to get a gmrs license and its still at $70. I seems the $35.00 fee will not go into effect until mid March.

    I was playing around with a Retevis RT86 UHF handi talki that I had programed for ham frequencies. Programed it for for FRS. Its has two power levels 2w and 10w. It only has 16 channels and since it does not do .5 watt I have the first 7 frequencies programmed and skipped the .5 watt channels, then programmed frs channels 15-22 at 2 watts. Was thinking of doing them at 10watts but need the gmrs license.

    That left one channel free so its programmed for he ham uhf national calling frequency.

    Its a nice little radio considering I got it from Retevis for free. Won a contest.
         
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    Hopefully it's March.... the wheels of bureaucracy turn slowly I guess. I had my hopes up last weekend when the FCC licencing site went down for maintenance, but no dice.

    10 watts in a handheld... that's a lot of juice. Is that a part 90 radio? It looks like a solid unit.

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    Its designed for ham or business. Its not legal for frs, but...
    The manual says its fcc part 15.

    https://www.retevis.com/RT86-Hidden-...ce-call#A9207A

    Not legal for frs but neither are the baofengs. I think its mainly due to the power levels and detachable antenna.
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    I just got these and have tried them car to car, campsite to campsite and out hiking and they do great all around. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FLRQLF4...ing=UTF8&psc=1




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