Front Range 4x4 Upcoming Trail Runs - Add a New Trail Run

Results 1 to 13 of 13

Thread: The Gulches...what a mess

  1. #1
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Member
    #834
    Last Online
    April 21st, 2021
    Location
    Colorado Springs
    4x4
    2004 Jeep LJ
    Posts
    1,107
    User Name
    Brian
    Real Name
    Brian
    Thanks Given
    670
    Thanked 354 Times in 249 Posts

    Default The Gulches...what a mess



    Here's some current news on the status of the gulches. It's an eye opening reveal at what's going on and the questionable methods being used to keep that area in limbo.

    https://www.facebook.com/keeptrailso...0961300872079/


  2. The Following 8 Members Say Thanks to Brian For This Post:

    Bob (September 15th, 2020),FINOCJ (September 15th, 2020),goSlo (September 14th, 2020),Jim (September 14th, 2020),newracer (September 14th, 2020),Schmitty (April 15th, 2021),TDash (April 9th, 2021),TyTheJeepGuy (April 9th, 2021)

  3. #2
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Member
    #921
    Last Online
    4 Hours Ago
    Location
    Fort Collins
    4x4
    1990 Jeep Wrangler (YJ)
    Posts
    10,081
    User Name
    Jim
    Real Name
    Jim Williamson
    Thanks Given
    2,485
    Thanked 3,023 Times in 2,011 Posts

    Default Re: The Gulches...what a mess




  4. The Following Member Says Thanks to Jim For This Post:

    Brian (September 14th, 2020)

  5. #3
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Member
    #1596
    Last Online
    3 Hours Ago
    Location
    Timnath
    4x4
    2012 Rock Ware Buggy & 2007 JKUR
    Posts
    1,572
    User Name
    newracer
    Real Name
    Michael
    Thanks Given
    174
    Thanked 691 Times in 429 Posts

    Default Re: The Gulches...what a mess



    I just recently became aware of the timeline of events down there. Prior to that I thought it was just the county causing problems.

  6. #4
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Member
    #1244
    Last Online
    December 6th, 2023
    Location
    Berthoud, CO
    Age
    67
    4x4
    '14 Grand Cherokee, '01 F350
    Posts
    393
    User Name
    Bob
    Real Name
    Bob
    Thanks Given
    385
    Thanked 129 Times in 87 Posts

    Default Re: The Gulches...what a mess



    This stinks to high heaven.

    I could see one or two jerks in the FS and county employee just wanting to close an area for their own biases, such things can happen. But this clearly involves the Park county commissioners and higher ups in the FS. There must be some monetary or electoral carrot that is an incentive for this to be happening, and possibly higher up political pressure.

    Has the Park county voting population turned radically environmental over the last 10 years? Seems doubtful. Is there one or more wealthy land owners or developers who stand to benefit from closing the trails bankrolling the third party group and election campaigns for the commissioners? Is Misi's group just misguided "do gooders" or does she and others stand to gain somehow? How did they finance their lawsuit? There must be more paper trails, and/or violations of state open meeting laws, and perhaps much worse.

    There's more to this story.

  7. #5
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Member
    #1546
    Last Online
    3 Hours Ago
    Location
    Bozeman, MT
    Age
    45
    4x4
    1970CJ5 1958WillysWagon
    Posts
    3,702
    User Name
    FINOCJ
    Real Name
    James Orofino
    Thanks Given
    1,275
    Thanked 1,602 Times in 972 Posts

    Default Re: The Gulches...what a mess



    I am a supporting an active member of both motorized recreational use groups and environmental conservation groups - and at times, those groups can come into conflict with one another. There are no easy solutions in the balance and management of public lands. Its the lack of transparency, honesty and public accountability in the process and decision making that is most concerning....
    ___________
    James Orofino
    1970 CJ5
    1958 Willys Wagon

  8. The Following Member Says Thanks to FINOCJ For This Post:

    Tom (October 12th, 2020)

  9. #6
    Join Date
    Jan 2018
    Member
    #2095
    Last Online
    August 28th, 2022
    Location
    Foco
    4x4
    99 XJ
    Posts
    165
    User Name
    4x4JeePmaNthINg
    Real Name
    Matt
    Thanks Given
    3
    Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts

    Default Re: The Gulches...what a mess



    What is the motive for trying so hard to close these areas, Im not understanding why these guys have received so much push back?

  10. #7
    Join Date
    May 2017
    Member
    #1995
    Last Online
    July 21st, 2021
    Location
    Co Springs
    4x4
    12 Jeep JK - 06 4Runner SR5
    Posts
    496
    User Name
    goSlo
    Real Name
    Aaron
    Thanks Given
    288
    Thanked 174 Times in 119 Posts

    Default Re: The Gulches...what a mess



    Update on the Gulches. Not a good one.


  11. The Following 3 Members Say Thanks to goSlo For This Post:

    FINOCJ (April 9th, 2021),Jim (April 9th, 2021),TDash (April 9th, 2021)

  12. #8
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Member
    #921
    Last Online
    4 Hours Ago
    Location
    Fort Collins
    4x4
    1990 Jeep Wrangler (YJ)
    Posts
    10,081
    User Name
    Jim
    Real Name
    Jim Williamson
    Thanks Given
    2,485
    Thanked 3,023 Times in 2,011 Posts

    Default Re: The Gulches...what a mess



    They're at legal options which means they need cash for lawyers.

    They have a donate option here:

    Go to www.KeepTrailsOpen.com
    Donate to The Gulches Legal Fund


    This looks to be the direct GoFundMe link:
    www.GoFundMe.com/f/save-the-gulches

  13. The Following 3 Members Say Thanks to Jim For This Post:

    Bob (April 9th, 2021),speedkills (April 9th, 2021),TDash (April 11th, 2021)

  14. #9
    Join Date
    Jan 2018
    Member
    #2099
    Last Online
    December 26th, 2023
    Location
    Castle Rock, CO
    Age
    41
    4x4
    '06 Chevrolet Silverado 1500
    Posts
    535
    User Name
    TDash
    Real Name
    Scott
    Thanks Given
    255
    Thanked 227 Times in 154 Posts

    Default Re: The Gulches...what a mess



    thanks for sharing, donated

  15. #10
    Join Date
    Feb 2019
    Member
    #2586
    Last Online
    1 Day Ago
    Location
    Westminster
    4x4
    1977 J10 Honcho
    Posts
    365
    User Name
    TyTheJeepGuy
    Real Name
    Ty
    Thanks Given
    209
    Thanked 170 Times in 109 Posts

    Default Re: The Gulches...what a mess



    The "Wild Connections" group sounds to me like the kind of people who comment on AllTrails trail pages about how it was so annoying that there was lots of 4x4 traffic while they were hiking. As if it didn't have "OHV" in the trail name and "popular for offroading" in the description, not to mention that there are hundreds or possibly thousands of miles of trails in the same forests that are closed to vehicular traffic that they could have taken if sharing the trail with 4x4 vehicles was such a day ruiner for them.

    I'm sure everyone here is in agreement that there are 4x4 drivers and dirt bike / UTV operators that are irresponsible and can cause trail damage and ruin recreation in that area for others, but there's also people who street race on our highways, are we going to close the highways down or police the destructive behavior?

  16. The Following Member Says Thanks to TyTheJeepGuy For This Post:

    Schmitty (April 15th, 2021)

  17. #11
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Member
    #2618
    Last Online
    July 27th, 2022
    Location
    Nederland, CO
    Age
    47
    4x4
    2011 G-Wagen and 2006 Range Rover
    Posts
    1,092
    User Name
    speedkills
    Real Name
    Shane
    Thanks Given
    496
    Thanked 435 Times in 266 Posts

    Default Re: The Gulches...what a mess



    That really bites, but thanks for making it so easy to find the donate link.

  18. #12
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Member
    #1935
    Last Online
    August 19th, 2021
    Location
    Denver
    Age
    49
    4x4
    1992 Range Rover Classic
    Posts
    512
    User Name
    Swank1975
    Real Name
    Mike
    Thanks Given
    125
    Thanked 90 Times in 76 Posts

    Default Re: The Gulches...what a mess



    Thanks for sharing. Just joined CORE as a member.

  19. #13
    Join Date
    Aug 2018
    Member
    #2201
    Last Online
    February 7th, 2024
    Location
    Longmont, CO
    Age
    36
    4x4
    97 TJ
    Posts
    236
    User Name
    Schmitty
    Real Name
    Schmitty
    Thanks Given
    156
    Thanked 77 Times in 59 Posts

    Default Re: The Gulches...what a mess



    That was hard to listen to... gotta love government.

    I did a bit of digging on their website and social media presence. They're the type to say "we know what's best for you".

    TyTheJeepGuy previously posted:
    "sharing the trail with 4x4 vehicles was such a day ruiner for them."

    Yeah, they make hiker-only trails for a reason lol.

Similar Threads

  1. Gulches anyone 4/13 - 4/14 ??
    By PhillipG65 in forum 1) Trail Run Planning
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: April 13th, 2019, 08:43 AM
  2. The Gulches 12/2
    By PaveLow in forum 1) Trail Run Planning
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: November 30th, 2017, 10:16 AM
  3. Moar Gulches!
    By goSlo in forum 2) Planned Trail Runs
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: November 17th, 2017, 07:46 PM
  4. The Gulches 10/29/17
    By PhillipG65 in forum 1) Trail Run Planning
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: October 24th, 2017, 10:44 PM
  5. Gulches 3-29
    By Theteener in forum 3) Trail Run Reports
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: April 5th, 2015, 10:43 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
BACK TO TOP