COVID: A little something to lighten your day.

[Jim]

Curious that the purpose-modified plane might not stay in use as desired. Perhaps this is the company 'sabre rattling' to stir interest and keep contracts flowing?

After investing tens of millions into upgrading the Global SuperTanker and its technology, the revenue coming mostly from contracts with the U.S. government and California did not produce enough profit for the company to continue the funding the tanker, said Roger Miller, managing director at Alterna Capital Partners LLC, the investment company that owns the plane.

[Maverick1872]

Jim previously posted:

[RockyMtRebel]

I'm still undecided...... both of my kids have gotten both shots and are fine. My brother got his second shot yesterday. I'm planning on getting it but just keep putting it off........ I think I'm more afraid of the social stigma of being "un-vaccinated" and that's not a good reason (peer-pressure) to get it. I think a LOT of people that say they are vaccinated, really aren't. It's a very interesting topic for sure

[Maverick1872]

RockyMtRebel previously posted:

[TDash]

RockyMtRebel previously posted:

[RockyMtRebel]

TDash previously posted:

[TDash]

lol everyone is a bunch of liars!

[derf]

We're still a bit short of 1/3 of Americans being fully vaccinated. But we have crossed the 100 million mark. At this point any short term problems with the vaccine should have shown up. But beyond a handful of blood clots, as well as a few instances of reactions in a very small percentage of the population that are similar to any vaccine, I'm not seeing much.

https://apnews.com/article/ny-state-...0cf2431d4da7b3

[4runner.Ric]

I refuse, to let them jab me.... When the manufacter and the people giving the shots have ZERO accountablilty, that right there, should be all you need to know.

[4runner.Ric]

Let me say first, that I dont believe half of what I read online anymore but found this insteresting: https://nojabforme.info/

[Bob]

4runner.Ric previously posted:

[speedkills]

I had a feeling that link was mostly bullshit, but then I stopped reading when it said 99.9% survival rate. If the logic is why take a vaccine if the survival rate is 99.9%, does that mean that if someone tells you the truth that it's <99% you would change your mind? No, of course not, facts are only used to convince others, not to alter our own beliefs.

Saying it has a 99.9% survival rate is an outright lie, check one of any respected sources and you will see it's well over 1% mortality rate. Or just choose the geocities webpage that says what you want to hear. But it's not just believing bullshit, by linking it here you spread it. I had intended to bow out of this thread but just wanted to jump in so nobody else is fooled by this, this is about the level of "we're going to be under martial law soon, I know because my neighbor is ex-military and can be relied on" rumor mongoring. Don't believe me, just do like the world's laziest google search, covid mortality rate if you want real numbers.

[speedkills]

Or, even better, instead of getting medical advice from the someone you know who likes to drive trucks offroad, maybe ask your doctor as Scott advised. There is no way in hell your doctor will tell you it has a 99.9% survival rate.

[speedkills]

4runner.Ric, I want to believe you have no reason to try and make fellow members of your club less safe, so maybe you have just been hoodwinked by people who have managed to convince you that the mortality rate is .1% (which is a lie) and that the chance of dying from the vaccine is >.1% (also a lie) so by sharing this info you are making your fellow members safer.

If that's the case, consider your sources suspect, for anyone who tells you this is just like the flu think back to flu season every year, do you ever remember the crematoriums being so busy that people have literally gone medieval and started burning bodies in pyres to keep them from rotting?

This is not just like the flu.

Choose to take the vaccine or not, but why try to convince anyone this has a 99.9% survival rate? Do you think we are all blind? Are you? I don't understand how you could see so many dead and say yep, I read on a hokey website someone with one html class put up last week that it's pretty much like the flu. Has every government in the world started vaccinating people and shutting down because of something that is the same survival rate as the flu? Or is the same hidden hand of the secret world government that really controls all of their governments and their versions of the FDA telling them all to do the same thing? If you have some ability to read scientific papers yourself I would think you would have to know the link you sent is full of falsehoods. If you have no abilities in this regard, then I can't understand why you would add more noise to the room and try to sway others. What is the motivation in sharing that link, help me understand.

If one of our members falls ill or dies and was convinced by your link that they were safer without the vaccine, will you feel any responsibility or it is all on them as they should have known better than to trust you?

I apologize is I sound furious, frankly I am as I have friends here and in such a dangerous time someone is actively trying to cloud an issue where they have no expertise. Scott already said "ask your doctor", great advice, then you come in here and say "but first, read this", how could that possibly help?

[Java]

What if it is true that there is a 99% survival rate... What other activities with a 99% survival rating would you participate in? How about 98%? That's worse odds than Shirley Jackson's Lottery with a similar outcome, but you get to play a couple of times each day. Who would fly 99% Airlines, or drive a trail with a 99% survival rating? If I was in a room with 99 other people and a voice came over the loudspeaker saying that one of us was going to get shot dead, another one or so just wounded but would survive, I would leave that room.

[Jim]

For the data minded:

VAERS - the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System

Established in 1990, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a national early warning system to detect possible safety problems in U.S.-licensed vaccines. VAERS is co-managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). VAERS accepts and analyzes reports of adverse events (possible side effects) after a person has received a vaccination. Anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS. Healthcare professionals are required to report certain adverse events and vaccine manufacturers are required to report all adverse events that come to their attention.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/

One might consider this an authoritative source.

Unfortunately, full U.S. details don't seem to be readily available as the system has a 10,000 row limit per report. When I select all COVID vaccines, United States & Territories, 2020 & 2021 dates, Death - the system reports 17,321 rows. This does not mean 17,321 people have died as some entries could refer to more than one person / event. But, going with death - we humans only have one death event per person.

Removing the Death selection and adding Permanent Disability there are 13,041 rows. Switching to Life Threatening 21,294 rows are reported.

Constricting the report to only the state of Colorado and moving back to Death, the report is below the 10,000 limit and a file can be downloaded (checkbox at the end). In the first selection criteria item is a checkbox for "Adverse Event Description". This is perhaps the main item to read - what the person or doctor experienced / reported.

[Report data requested May 2021]

[speedkills]

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2LV0NY

[speedkills]

Agreed, facts are useful, like this CDC analysis stating that the numbers from VAERS amount to 0.0017% mortality rate after taking the vaccine, vs >1% after getting covid without the vaccine. Very useful, thanks for pointing that out Jim. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

[speedkills]

Based on Jim's post I found this CDC slidedeck on the vaers data analysis. They pulled coroner reports on deaths to find causes and did a great analysis breaking it down for those that want more detail. One important point they make is that 22% of people in long term care facilities die every year, meaning about 2% of people in those homes die every month on average just because it was their time, so if you vaccinate them all, you would expect 2% to die because they were in a home meant to care for them at the end of their lives and it has nothing to do with the vaccine at all, yet their name will be on the vaers list.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/me...himabukuro.pdf

[4runner.Ric]

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