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    Jim previously posted:
    "I'm assuming (with the pulley setup you showed), this wagon has through-the-floorpan / frame mounted clutch and brake pedals?"

    of course! The pulley cable set-up was not original - I think it was used because the original set-up did not have clearance with the v8....not exactly sure what I am going to do with that yet, but thinking a cable set-up like on my cj which works pretty well....I also don't plant to be wheeling this thing too hard or getting it all crossed-up....but a traction device in the rear would be nice....
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    FINOCJ previously posted:
    "a traction device in the rear would be nice...."

    A double set of brake pedals for Jen on the passenger side - right rear brake / left rear brake - like farm tractors?

    A double set of brake levers between the seats somewhat like the drift cars have?

    I kid - though my mind does consider it...

    A locker would take all of the fun out of this ;-)

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    Cutting breaks? Thinking power loc lsd would be about right....that is a long way off though.
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    Wow what a cool project James, great work 👍

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    Any suggestions on cutting out the old motor mounts with a cut-off disk on a 4.5" grinder...other than possibly removing the brake lines first? Kind of feels like once I do this, there isn't any turning back....right now I can still put it back together the way it was....



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    Do you have a torch?

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    newracer previously posted:
    "Do you have a torch?"

    nope, no torch or plasma cutter - pretty simplistic and crude here....I don't have a sawzall either, but it might work....I am most comfortable with the cut-off disk as that is what I've used a lot, so maybe try that, and can always clean it up with the grinding wheel/flap disk....
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    A cut off wheel should work fine, looks like there is plenty of room to access it. I was given a torch setup a few years ago, don't use it much but it is handy for some things.

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    Wasn't too bad with the cut-off wheel....lower front corners didn't quite have enough clearance for the 4.5" angle grinder so used my smaller air tool - its slow (not enough air flow for continuous use) but only needed an inch or so on each one....have to clean it up a bit with grinder and hopefully that will allow plenty of room for test fitting the sbc and sm465 etc...may still have to do something with the steering....one step at a time...

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    Well started the sm465 rebuild with mainshaft replacement....making slow progress...
    Got the top off and cane off...


    Then spent quite awhile just trying to get the rear nut on the mainshaft off...I fully expected red loc-tite to be holding it on. Ended up having to cut into and split the nut off the shaft...


    pulled all the bearings:


    Finally got to an empty case:


    Mainshaft:


    Countershaft and input drive shaft:


    Mainshaft disassembled (minus one bushing)...and comparison with new replacement novak shaft (right):
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    Making a bit more progress...with the mainshaft disassembled, time to work on the countershaft. Apparently, with wear, 3rd gear can have issues jumping out of gear. I don't know the history of this sm465, and if that was an issue, but I bought the 3rd gear upgrade kit from Novak as I only want to pull this thing apart once. The upgrade requires pulling the large counter gear and replacing the splined collar and two snap rings behind the gear with a sleeve.


    Had to max out my gear puller, but it came off easy.


    The parts the sleeve replaces:


    Sleeve goes on here and large counter gear will get pressed back on:


    Not sure I could get the counter gear back on without a press...might be able to drive it on but I think I need a press for the mainshaft bushings and general shop use, so added this to a my friends garage (doing this work in Montana so not in my garage):


    Large counter gear went on easy with press (could have driven it on if needed)... hopefully not too easily...
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    With the countershaft complete, it was time to move on to reassembling the mainshaft. There is quite a bit of discussion/warning about cracking the mainshaft bushings when pressing them on...I heated the bushing, but maybe didn't freeze the shaft enough...anyway the first attempt (2nd gear) cracked.


    The 1st and 2nd gear bushings are identical, so I tried again and got it to work....the first attempt I tried pressing the shaft down into the bushing that I put on the press base/apron as I didn't have a the right size pipe to fit over the shaft...I think the extra height/length of the shaft makes keeping things aligned vertically very difficult when pressing down...it's easy for the shaft to move off axis and it creates a lot of lateral leverage on the bushing potentially cracking it. On the 2nd attempt, I fixed the shaft on the press base/apron, and jumbled together a pipe sleeve and old bushing to fit over the shaft and press the new bushing down onto the shaft (I really didn't think it had any chance of staying together)...I think this is easier to keep aligned as well as there is much less lateral leverage on the bushing...or maybe I just got lucky... Anyway, I can press on the smaller 3rd gear bushing, but kind of stuck until I can get another 2nd gear bushing....may try to install the countershaft and end bearings into the case, but I was hoping to paint the case first, and its way too cold here in Montana (even in the garage) to try and paint. I was planning on returning to Colo today and bringing the case with me to paint this coming week, but winter storms have closed I80 so may not make it back for awhile (March). Anyway, off to order a new bushing...progress is slow...
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    Oh jAmes.... Fab Rats just picked up the Willys. I think you should subscribe to his methodology when getting an old vehicle running - LOL

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOKlhC7XMlY

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    Here’s your next project James.
         
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    Tom previously posted:
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    I want one of those for a street cruiser, but the OEM engine selection was pretty anemic...I think the sbc283 I have would do nicely in one of those.
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    FINOCJ previously posted:
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    When are you moving to a rural property?

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    Want doesn't mean it will happen...I am already way too far in with 58, way beyond where I ever wanted to be.
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    On the plus side a SBC and SM465 will last forever when you're done with them, and those old wagons are getting rarer and more valuable everyday. Hopefully it will be worth more than you ever expected.

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    I had some difficulty with pressing on the 1st-2nd synchro hub...I thought I effed it up beyond repair causing a ridge in the middle of the splines from where it got off-center out of alignment when trying to press in the mainshaft...


    Well an hour or two of hand filing out the splines seems to have worked....also gave some extra hours for the mainshaft to sit in the freezer. After heating the hub, it went together ok and it seems good to me ....also pressed on the first gear mainshaft bushing without incident... here's the shaft with some of the hard steps out of the way with the first and second gear bushing pressed on and the central second gear hub as well....


    Began working on modifying a smaller pipe sleeve to press on the smaller 3rd gear bushing, but called it a night.... hopefully it was one step back and two forward so a net gain.... until next week....
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    Ouch - that first pic makes me wonder if the parts were not machined to fit - almost like they gave you the wrong part. You're working through it!

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