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    Different motor than the current 1957 sbc283 that is in it now....this is an early 70s sbc350 (I think). It will have more power - possibly to the detriment of the current transmission (any v8 is pushing the oem transmission near its limit). I like the old 283's - they sound awesome when revving, and they are very durable. But as a short stroke engine, they don't have much low end torque and need some rpm to find the sweet zone. Mine is a bit worn, but it really has no guts below 1500rpm, and you got to get above 2000rpm to start to feel it pull. My comment the other day was that it won't idle over a speedbump - you gotta rev it up and burn some clutch just to get around the grocery store parking lot. While there are some open road conditions, and also other, sportier, zippier applications that suite the 283 well, I am not sure its the best option for an old 4wd jeep. If the engine had no issues, I wouldn't worry about it, but as it needs a rebuild, it just wasn't worth the cost to rebuild something that isn't all that well suited for jeep use. But I do think think there is a cool factor with old 283s, and maybe it will stick around, get a rebuild and the proper application might be found.....32 roadster?

    As for the 'new' 350, it is the classic, 'was running when pulled, rebuilt with low mileage" yada yada yada.....Price was right, and by all accounts from the friend I bought it from, it should be useable without any significant rebuild work. Yup....how many of those stories have you heard that turned out differently? At least in this case, I didn't pay much more than typical core price, so if it is as good as reported, it will be a great deal, and if it needs work, at least I am putting the rebuild money towards an engine with better low end, torquey use for the jeep. Anyway, I will do a basic disassembly: remove the intake, valve covers, heads, oil pan and timing cover. Will inspect the cylinders, rings, timing chain and gears for any significant issues, as well as check the crank. Will be reassembled with all new gaskets and seals, and possibly swap over the intake, carb and distributor from the current engine. I like that I will be able to keep driving the wagon as is while I do the once over with the new 350, and then it should be a relatively simple bolt in replacement....clutch will be replaced then as well, but otherwise, nothing else needed. In the long run, the 3 speed T90 may not stand up to the extra power, but it will work for awhile. I don't want to put any money into rebuilding the transmission - when it goes, it will be time for swap to something stronger. As a new cross-member will be needed at that time, that will also be the time to get the engine moved a couple inches forward in the engine bay (thus the included motor mounts are nice add-in). I kind of like being able to work on this project in smaller steps, and keep it mostly driveable between the steps.
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    Will you do a compression/leakdown on the motor before you open it?

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    Not sure I can do a compression test - no good way to stabilize the motor when cranking when its not mounted to the jeep frame. But I do intend to do a leak down test. The motor needs a degreasing first, then it will get MMO/ATF or something similar down into the cylinders to soak and lubricate and turn it over by hand a bit.
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    I added this to my collection today...I hope to put in the wagon some day....


    it was nearby and only cost $40... SM465 early version with 4wd 10spline output - although that doesn't really matter as it would have to get changed to mate to a jeep D18 transfercase. The gears look great, although the input bearing sounds like its grinding a bit....disappointed to find the mated bellhousing had a crack - its cast iron, maybe it can be repaired? Its the old style open bottom bellhousing, so maybe its not that big of a deal, but I was hoping it would be usable as it has the proper 5 1/8'" bearing retainer bore and you can find the bottom cover pans pretty cheap....If the transmission is good and usable as I think/hope, it was worth it. Thinking this could be my winter project in Montana....rebuild with the Novak adapter and mainshaft....pricey but not as pricey as an engine rebuild. I would guess this is more likely to end up in the willys behind the sbc350 rather than the cj5...and it might not happen immediately anyway. Just seemed like too good a deal to pass up....or maybe someone wants to buy it for $140?
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    Jim previously posted:

    Yup...stick welding technique...Not something I know anything about. Would be open to taking this to a proper shop to repair (wonder if Brucker could do it?) - although aftermarket replacement ones aren't all that expensive.
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    So, I have been disappointed that the wagon hasn't been more usable since I got it - in other words, I thought what I bought was better than it was (sure that has never happened to any of you!). Anyway, after a bit of thought, and almost selling, the decision was made to keep it, but that also means to start making it usable. It was either sell it or fix it up, it just wasn't going to work for me as is - i.e. barely running. So, we'll see how long this takes...it officially off the road...

    Pulled the transmission today...seemed to take me all day, but at least its out. I find the sbc-t90j adapter bellhousing to be a bit odd - and its one source of significant oil leak. Looking through the floorpan tunnel:



    When the t90 came out, there is no front bearing retainer on it. Either it seems to be built into the adapter bellhousing, or its stuck in there. As oil flows through the front bearing, it fills the cavity around the center ring, and there is only a paper gasket between the the t90 and bellhousing, and the old gasket was toast letting oil drip out between the two - kind of like a bad RMS leaks out at the front of the bellhousing, but this is at the rear. I am done for today - skiing tomorrow - but I'll get the bellhousing off next and see what its all about. I'll get you pics of the homemade clutch set-up....
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    Making a bit of progress...
    Cleaning up the gunk has been priority #1:


    But making progress...the T90 is all clean and set-aside...D18 separated and mostly cleaned up as well as got the yokes and nuts off....glad to find the yoke wrench I made a few years ago could be put to use again. Rebuild kit is on order, but not jumping into right this moment - just trying to do a couple things and clean, then put it back on finger tight and set it aside as for just a bit as well.


    Here is the homemade clutch system - cable hooked into the pedal, then goes around the pulley and to the clutch fork with some cable clamps. There is a threaded eye bolt mounted into the fork that the cable connects to with a link....and bailing wire you see on the fork is holding the return spring to the fork. The fork looks like it has been cut and welding to lengthen it....getting this shenanigans fixed up right is another aspect I am not so sure about....thinking a cable clutch set-up like I have on the cj5 that will use a D18 mount I picked up from a member here - would have to weld an angle bracket to the inside of the frame rail to mount the other end of the cable sheath. Don't know much about the OEM wagon clutch system - guessing it doesn't fit correctly with an sbc? Something to look into.



    Finally...added another piece of the puzzle...picked up the Novak motor mounts from a member here - thanks Phillip (Jobhater)!


    The plan is pull the rest of the bellhousing and clutch, and begin stripping the engine pieces to get it pulled out...
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