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    Default Judge rules CA ban on "large" capacity magazines unconstitutional



    Wow. Anyone else see this?

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...tm_campaign=sw

    "Blow Struck for Civil Rights In California

    Yesterday, Judge Roger Benitez of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California handed down an 86-page decision holding that California’s ban on magazines that contain more than ten rounds violates the Second Amendment. Judge Benitez’s decision is closely reasoned and unsparing in its dismantling of the feeble evidentiary case made on behalf of the state. It is premised largely on the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in District of Columbia v. Heller.

    All Californians, like all citizens of the United States, have a fundamental Constitutional right to keep and bear common and dangerous arms.
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    In Heller, the U.S. Supreme Court provided a simple Second Amendment test in crystal clear language. It is a test that anyone can understand. The right to keep and bear arms is a right enjoyed by law-abiding citizens to have arms that are not unusual “in common use” “for lawful purposes like self-defense.”
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    It is a hardware test. Is the firearm hardware commonly owned? Is the hardware commonly owned by law-abiding citizens? Is the hardware owned by those citizens for lawful purposes? If the answers are “yes,” the test is over. The hardware is protected.

    Millions of ammunition magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds are in common use by law-abiding responsible citizens for lawful uses like self-defense. This is enough to decide that a magazine able to hold more than 10 rounds passes the Heller test and is protected by the Second Amendment. The simple test applies because a magazine is an essential mechanical part of a firearm. The size limit directly impairs one’s ability to defend one’s self.

    Typically, a handgun’s magazine size varies with the size of the gun. A small gun’s grip is not big enough to hold a large magazine. Thus, my carry pistol, a Sig Sauer P938, has a seven-round magazine. My full size pistol, an Armalite AR-24, comes with magazines that hold 15 rounds. Larger, extended magazines can also be purchased. Such “large” magazines are extremely common, as Judge Benitez documents.

    The opinion is sometimes entertaining, as when Judge Benitez rejects the argument that firearms with “large” magazines are dangerous:

    Nothing in the Second Amendment makes lethality a factor to consider because a gun’s lethality, or dangerousness, is assumed. The Second Amendment does not exist to protect the right to bear down pillows and foam baseball bats. It protects guns and every gun is dangerous.

    The argument for limitations on magazine capacity relates to mass shooters–extraordinarily rare events, compared with the millions of cases of lawful self-defense. The theory is that if a mass shooter has to reload, he must pause, and during the pause he can be overcome. This is almost entirely a fantasy, since mass shooters plan in advance, bringing multiple firearms and multiple loaded magazines. Even I, a rank amateur, can swap out a magazine in less than two seconds. A homeowner, in contrast, is unlikely to have a stack of pre-loaded magazines close at hand. Judge Benitez makes the point eloquently:

    The State argues that smaller magazines create a “critical pause” in the shooting of a mass killer. “The prohibition of LCMs helps create a ‘critical pause’ that has been proven to give victims an opportunity to hide, escape, or disable a shooter.” Def. Oppo., at 19. This may be the case for attackers. On the other hand, from the perspective of a victim trying to defend her home and family, the time required to re-load a pistol after the tenth shot might be called a “lethal pause,” as it typically takes a victim much longer to re-load (if they can do it at all) than a perpetrator planning an attack. In other words, the re-loading “pause” the State seeks in hopes of stopping a mass shooter, also tends to create an even more dangerous time for every victim who must try to defend herself with a small-capacity magazine. The need to re-load and the lengthy pause that comes with banning all but small-capacity magazines is especially unforgiving for victims who are disabled, or who have arthritis, or who are trying to hold a phone in their off-hand while attempting to call for police help. The good that a re-loading pause might do in the extremely rare mass shooting incident is vastly outweighed by the harm visited on manifold law-abiding, citizen-victims who must also pause while under attack.

    Judge Benitez’s entire decision is well worth your time. We live in a constitutionally dangerous era: the Democratic Party is committed to repealing, in effect, both the First* and Second Amendments. Rarely has control over the federal judiciary been so important. Which is one of several reasons why it is critical that President Trump be re-elected.

    *If you think that is an overstatement, consider that every Democratic presidential candidate denounces the Supreme Court case that held the federal government could not constitutionally ban the showing of a movie on the ground that it was critical of presidential candidate Hillary Clinton."


    Maybe now, gun owners around here won't have to hide in a private forum anymore...

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    I love this statement from the judge

    "In a peaceful society, a 10-round limit may not be severe.

    When thousands of people are rioting, as happened in Los Angeles in 1992, or more recently with Antifa members in Berkeley in 2017, a 10-round limit for self-defense is a severe burden.

    When a group of armed burglars break into a citizen’s home at night, and the homeowner in pajamas must choose between using their left hand to grab either a telephone, a flashlight, or an extra 10-round magazine, the burden is severe.

    When one is far from help in a sparsely populated part of the state, and law enforcement may not be able to respond in a timely manner, the burden of a 10-round limit is severe.

    When a major earthquake causes power outages, gas and water line ruptures, collapsed bridges and buildings, and chaos, the burden of a 10-round magazine limit is severe.

    When food distribution channels are disrupted and sustenance becomes scarce while criminals run rampant, the burden of a 10-round magazine limit is severe.

    Surely, the rights protected by the Second Amendment are not to be trimmed away as unnecessary because today’s litigation happens during the best of times. It may be the best of times in Sunnyvale; it may be the worst of times in Bombay Beach or Potrero. California’s ban covers the entire state at all times. "


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    Excellent!

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    It's not over yet. CA DOJ will now appeal it to the 9th Circuit where it has a high probability of being overturned because they are just liberal twit on the bench there.

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    A good step though let's see if more steps might be taken (I see David's comment taking place).

    Unfortunately, Friday’s opinion is not likely to be the last word on the case. The state will likely appeal to the Ninth Circuit, which has proven notably hostile to the Second Amendment in past decisions.

    Nevertheless, the thoroughness of Judge Benitez’s analysis should give Second Amendment supporters the best possible chance for success in appellate proceedings, particularly if the case ultimately lands before the U.S. Supreme Court.

    www.nraila.org/articles/20190329/breaking-federal-court-finds-california-magazine-ban-violates-the-second-amendment


    Related news...

    www.foxnews.com/politics/feinstein-fumes-as-trump-administration-pushes-forward-with-9th-circuit-nominees-without-consulting-her

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    The 9th hasn't been too bad lately for the 2nd Amendment issues, even if they over rule it would then possibly be heard by the Supreme Court.

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    Major recovery operations on-going in California. See news flash posted by Jim.


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    LOLOLOLOL

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    And as I predicted. What is interesting is that the same judge that overrulled the ban is also the one that issued the stay.

    A federal judge on Friday halted sales of high-capacity ammunition magazines in California, giving state officials a chance to appeal his order last week that allowed their sale for the first time in nearly 20 years.

    U.S. District Judge Roger Benitez barred further sales until the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals considers whether to reinstate the state’s ban on magazines holding more than 10 bullets.
    But the judge said those who bought the extended magazines since his initial order a week ago may keep them without fear of being prosecuted while the appeal proceeds.

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    I wonder how many magazines were sold over those few days?

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    Spieg previously posted:
    "I wonder how many magazines were sold over those few days?"

    One retailer said they had sold 300,000.

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    Visit Brownells and the other reseller mentioned - Out of Stock is a common listing.

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    If you decide to regulate the guns, this doesn't go far enough. It's like saying we're going to end highway crashes by making sure everyone has correct tire pressure. For this approach to work you'd have to go even farther than New Zealand just did https://www.npr.org/2019/04/01/70867...w-within-weeks

    Dick's Sporting Goods stopped selling guns last year and gave up over $150 million in sales. That's one average US retailer outselling all of New Zealand. The buy back would be insanely expensive, and difficult to do fairly.

    many people won't give up their guns and then it would be up to Law Enforcement to disarm them. Some people might just have their dead dad's gun and simply want it. Others are part of the "from my cold dead hands" culture. Many other perspectives. If I was a cop I would refuse, that's a suicide mission in many cases. It's easy for Peters to talk tough, but let's see him knock on doors and take guns. Nuts.

    There are two parts to the gun violence equation, people and guns. The "other" arguement, mental health, is a non-starter, because if you decide to go that route every gun purchase would involve (atleast) a psychological screening, which noone would be OK with, and could have impacts way beyond a gun purchase; drivers license, divorce proceedings, hiring for a job, etc... Mental health is, IMO, nothing more than a talking point that will go nowhere in the realm of realistic gun control. The only mental health group you can pee test are cigarette smokers. there is a long established link between schizophrenia, suicide and cigarettes. Smoking also demonstrates the inclination to make the same dumb decision over and over again despite overwhelming evidence that it not will, but is, killing you. Good luck enforcing just a ban on smokers, who again you can actually pee test. The mental health arguement is DOA, it's just not doable. And people change, guns don't. You can quit smoking or be heavily traumatized after a screening.


    Cultural change works. Walmart stopped selling assault rifles 4 years ago, not for political reasons, but because nobody wants them anymore. They're stigmatized and demand is too low to justify shelf space. https://www.businessinsider.com/walm...lt-guns-2018-2

    Litigation, not legislation is the only path to real gun control that I think is currently valid, and the case below is much more important than the high-capacity as a stand alone one. Thanks to our f-ed up gun laws manufacturers have unrealistic immunity that makers of baby toys don't have, and the Denver Sheriff is currently begging for money for rifle-proof body armor on the local news while the city and state are wealthier than ever...

    but clever lawyers can ruin anything. If this is successful manufacturers will likely be sued out of business without any regulation. They will for sure not be able to renew insurances at the current levels / rates, if at all.

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/15...ns-for-combat/

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    There is a private gun section here? Invite me!!!

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    No invite needed. Available to all members. Look in Off Topic > Members Only > Everything Firearms

    It, along with Members Only, are only available to members who are logged in.

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    Maybe we can get rid of our ban as well if this all goes well in the courts.

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