Docs 04 TJ

[dieseldoc]

Ok all as I am about payed off on my jeep I am starting to amas my parts.
Pluss I am expecting to get my left over parts from taking my samuri apart.
So I will have parts to sell and some to use.

Got me a good hook up on my axle....?way silly price!
Front- Ford dana 44 w/ 4.88 an a lock right
Rear- Ford 9" w/ 4.88 and a spool


STUFF I HAVE:

I have a set of 5 maxxis creepy crwal 37"x12.50r16 abit more than half left on them.
Seat w/ hokes to fit 5 point belts.
hiem joinfs for high steer 4 with all hardwear.
48" high lift jack


The overvall plan is:
Full width axles
disk converted on rear
37" tires
100" wheel base
4 link triangulated rear ( no track bar)
3 link w/ track bar front
4" lift (unkown type yet)
2 speed gear drive transfer case ( stak or atlas)
hydro assisted cross over steering set
cage it inner or exo to yet be determuned ( leaning to inner)

[The StRanger]

Sounds like a good set up.

[Java]

Sounds like you've got a busy weekend coming up!!

[dieseldoc]

Going to be a few weekends really. Lots of prep work to build the axles to be ready to put them in.
But as the strecth is much like the genright kit......18 hfs of book time for the install.....
Good thing I have access to plazma cuters and the like.....
Pics to come.

I am at present time building a new front bumper!

[dieseldoc]

So I have a new front bumper under construction.
My curant bummper has small provisions for lights.
They were intended for some small turn signals.
I am also changing the depth and hight of the thing.
Also accommodating some LED lights.


Whst I had.

[dieseldoc]

More pics will come once I can get them to up load.....

[dieseldoc]

So my parfs sjowed up from cali this week.....
I have a good start on what I need to build the jeep.
My tires and front coil overs are here and some miscellaneous links to cut up for the joints.

Seems all my pics are to dam big or something.....grrr!

Any how parts ar:

Tires-37x12.50r16 maxxis creepies
Front- fabtech 6" coil overs
Saets- checker specilas w/holes for 5 point harnesses.

[dieseldoc]

tires and other parts are hear from cali finally!
we have 37" maxxis creepy
some fabtech 6" coil overs for the front and replacemnet seats
so the pics show what it could grow to but the front is foreward a bit of what I want
the new front coils
and what it is right now

[Rick]

if you could put the wheels where they are in the picture that would be sweeeet!!!!!! looking forward to the build.

[dieseldoc]

Ya its a bit forward but real with the way I am going to biuld it I could push it there if I want to.

The front I am goingto use the ford radius arms. Yet they will be modified to length and have a jonny joint on the frame end.
So realy I can put the front where ever as long as the steering works. Or I can graft in a astro bix to get the reveresed rotation.

[redneck23ms]

I like the look of the tire placement but those cool overs are going to be too short to be useful with a solid axle. You will need a 12" travel coil over to be of any use for a link type suspension. Could possibly get by with 10". I'm thinking about getting a set of 37 creepys as my next tire

[dieseldoc]

Theses are frome the 6" lift from fabtech.
They worked great on the rear of my Sami.

Alex I will messure them today but I think they Hve a 10"shaft.

Ypu will enjoy the performance from the creepy they work well.
Wear on the other hand if they are daily driver......20-30k miles and done.
I am thinking about a daily set to keep the investment in my offroad tires.
To replace these things is a bit out of control.

[redneck23ms]

My rig isn't my daily anymore as I have a f250 that I drive most days and a trailer. You can probably make 10" of travel work but will be limiting yourself a little. I use all of a 11" shock with leg springs.

[dieseldoc]

Ya. The front of that rig had 14" shocks on it.
I was realy looking at using what I have. As to keep cost down.
I dont realy want to be into the 6 plus of lift.
I want to keep it low to the ground.
The rear is going out board as with the wider axles I can do that.

[Brucker]

WooHoo!!! Custom fab! My favorite!

Hope to clarify things a bit for you. First off stop thinking about your components as 6" of lift. That only makes sense in the context that they were designed for, using all the components that came in the kit. You are only using some components (coilovers) from a lift. You should only care about length of travel, size of bore and shaft, valving, and spring rate. If these were used in the back of a Sami, then all those things mentioned may not work with being used in the front of a TJ. The front of the TJ probably weighs close to double what the rear of the Sami did. So just know that those things will probably need to be swapped out. IE- rebuilding/reconfigure each coilover.

Second, for length of travel, yes, the longer, the more travel you can get out of them. But it is about placement. Shock length doesn't dictate vehicle height. Shock placement does. It has been proven on many different builds that one can run a 14" travel shock without having to cut the hood and still achieve a belly height of sub 24" on tires lager than 37's. 16's usually have to have the hood cut. Now going shorter won't always limit your travel, but you will have to get creative. Like since you are wanting to use a link type setup of radius arms, you could build the arms to take the shocks. This moves the shock up the arm, thus requiring less shock travel to achieve more axle travel. Or you could look into building a cantilever setup. I personally am not the biggest fan as it adds extra weight and design and fab time, but heck, F1 folks have been doing it for years so that setup has it's advantages.

Third, axle placement. I am all for extending wheelbase. On the front, as you already stated, your limiting factor will be your steering. You can move the box quite a bit forward but again, check that first as it's the limiting factor. You could go to full hydro but since this will be daily driven (street driven) I would highly recommend against that as there is no mechanical backup and therefore would be illegal.

Hope that this helps and good luck with the project!

[dieseldoc]

Bruckner. We are on the same pages.
The coil overs are still valved and oils and psi for the TJ front end. All I changed was some springs.
I still have to correct springs.
I also have a line on some king coil overs 12" travel all ready set up for the front TJ as well 1000 for pair still in the box....
I will go hyrdo assested but as we both said the limiting factor is the sterring box.
Thus why I may go with the astro box. They are reversed so it will be behind the pitman arm...
Not sure yet how I want to do the front.
I have seen semi truck air bags used 8 inches back on the arms.....wow it worked so nice....and with 39's I was impressed.

[dieseldoc]

Did some more bummper work tonight.
I cut the hoop off of the bumper from my sami buggy
recut the length and agles to work on my new front bumper.
Added some supports to it and BAM done bumper....