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    IDK whats going on with idiots ruining the Moab area, but here's another one.

    http://news.yahoo.com/39-priceless-3...194956930.html

    This theropod track was stolen from a Jeep trail near Moab, Utah, on Tuesday, Feb. 18, 2014.

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    Just makes me sick.

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    I put it up on my personal FB page and my business FB page as well.

    I hope they catch whoever did this.....

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    Too many people put the needs of themselves before the needs of the many !!!
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    Vandalism is an excellent excuse to shut down vehicular access to trails.

    If you see anyone committing vandalism get their plate number, photos if possible and turn them in.

    I'd never rat someone out for a victimless "crime", but crap like this will negatively affect a lot of people and I would burn the perps in an instant.

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    Why would you do this? I don't get it. Idiots

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    x2. Very disappointed in people.

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    I read the story on the link, and it makes sense that it is illegal to remove artifacts from public land but I never knew that. People make me sick

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    In many parks, they don't even want you to pick a wild flower... Why on earth would a person think it would be OK to take (chisel out) a relic like that??? I wonder if the perps had kids with them. What would you possibly say to explain your actions to your child if you were to do something so stupid and selfish? We've taken both of our girls on tours through many caves etc. and the rule is pretty much.... "Don't touch". - Keep your hands in your pockets".

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    sunk previously posted:
    "I read the story on the link, and it makes sense that it is illegal to remove artifacts from public land but I never knew that."

    Everyone needs to be aware that taking what .gov considers to be an "archeological resource" from public land can get you busted. Archeological resource meaning anything having to do with humans that is 100 years old or older. This guarantees that collecting an arrow head is illegal. If the govt decides the horseshoe you picked up is +100 years old they can bust you for that.

    I'm still looking for the law regarding fossils and the like.

    Below is a link to one law on "archeological resource". Can't say this is the current version or what if any laws and regs the various states have.

    http://www.cr.nps.gov/local-law/FHPL_ArchRsrcsProt.pdf

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    That's true and I hope they nail the @sshole.

    An interesting side note is this applies to trail cleanups as well. If you come across a pile of old tin cans at an old mining site they're best left alone since they could be over 100 years old. I've run across plenty of these which were apparently all that remains from an old mining dump site.
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    I have a split personality regarding stuff left behind by people.

    The trash around old mines, home sites and ghost towns is part of history and I think ought to be left in place.

    When somebody dumps the same kind of stuff in the same area today he is a no good scum sucking pig as far as I concerned.

    I don't make much sense to myself sometimes.

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    No biggy...we'll just replace it.... http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/tracks.html :P



    All kidding aside, its pretty deplorable when people do this stuff and I hope the people involved get caught.

    Not sure to what level this is illegal since Sand Flats is just a Recreation Area run by the BLM, so not nearly as strict as if it were taken from a National Park. I'm sure its still illegal (or at least hope it is), but I suspect no one will see that piece again unless it is anonymously given up. Entry and exit of Sand Flats isn't particularly tight (you could totally sneak in the exit of Hells Revenge and the guard house is only staffed during bank hours in my experience), so its unlikely there is much evidence to go on to find it unless the scumbags who stole it try to sell it or something.

    If the picture in the OP is any indication, it looks like it was already breaking off and someone just took it once it did.

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    From what I have heard, Federal prison is a good time. I hope these guys get to enjoy it. The Feds don't take this stuff lightly.

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    Probably sitting in some trust fund baby's private collection to the tune of several tens of thousands of dollars... I doubt they'll ever catch em'

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    Chris previously posted:
    "An interesting side note is this applies to trail cleanups as well. If you come across a pile of old tin cans at an old mining site they're best left alone since they could be over 100 years old. I've run across plenty of these which were apparently all that remains from an old mining dump site."

    I fail to see the sense in that. Garbage is garbage. I could throw a pop can out the window and it could sit on the side of the road for 100 years. Yes - it would be historical, but does that tell a story or give value to the lives of the living? The dinosaur tracks are not litter and possibly hold valuable information for future generations. A rusty can is nothing more than a rusty can. Now, if you're talking about a tin coffee cup or soup mug or something similar that they manufactured and wouldn't consider "garbage" - that's another story.

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    The point is that what's "garbage" to one might be treasure to someone else. To some a dinosaur track is just a dent in a rock, a balanced rock is something to be knocked down, a rare skeleton is just a bone, a 1912 Stanley Steamer is just an old car, etc.

    A pile of cans can reveal a lot about the people who lived in the area and I'm not the one to decide whether or not 100 year old scrap pile contains valuable information or not. I'm drawing a blank but IIRC it was a junk pile that was found that explained bizarre behavior of survivors of Shackleton's(?) expedition after abandoning their ship in the Antarctic. Turns out the junk pile contained cans that were sealed with lead and the survivor's had severe lead poisoning that lead to serious decline in their mental functions. If someone cleaned up that junk pile it would have remained a mystery forever.


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    I hear ya, Chris, - but still sketchy. If the pop can I tossed on the side of the road was still sealed and full of "pop" 100 years later - would that make it "not garbage"?

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    Jackie previously posted:
    "I hear ya, Chris, - but still sketchy. If the pop can I tossed on the side of the road was still sealed and full of "pop" 100 years later - would that make it "not garbage"?"

    I would say that if you found an unopened bottle of Coke that was 100 years old, just as collectors item it would be worth A LOT since the oldest known bottles with the drink still in are from the 50's. Whether the theoretical bottle you tossed now will be worth anything in 100 years is debatable but we won't really know till then. Part of me doubts it, but other parts of me wonder if people in the past have had similar thoughts about similar items that are hugely valuable to people today.

    From an archaeological and anthropological standpoint, the garbage of the people going back through the ages has often been the only real evidence of their lifestyle and quality of living we have. I know that there was a wealth of knowledge found in the Anasazi ruins in Mesa Verde to that effect and that has been true of every ancient civlization that we have found evidence of too.

    I guess the one major change from then till now has been the advent of photography and the increasing level of information being stored and how you can just read someone's account rather then have to find out through observation and deduction of things they left behind.

    Still...some find the objects in their original environment interesting and I agree that it should be left for people to see it on their own unaltered. Even modern relics like the engine on the T33 trail seem to degrade more every time I go to it from people messing with it and wanting to take a piece home with them for no good reason (you can find thousands of those kinds of parts in a aircraft junkyard) and it is kind of a bummer.

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    Jackie previously posted:
    "would that make it "not garbage"?"

    Josh got it right Jackie and whether or not it's garbage isn't the issue. It's just that people are more likely to leave garbage untouched than not. Look at it this way, future archeologists will find our recycling center a treasure to examine to determine how we lived. Unfortunately much of it will misleading as they try to figure out why we wrapped this stuff in plastic to preserve it.
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