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    xaza previously posted:
    "His shifts side to side slightly (no wobble) mine shifts in and out(up and down)."

    Time to replace that end of the track bar, and any other TRE that moves up and down on the stud.

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    That's what I was afraid of. Made a mistake going with a Teraflex track bar that has to be replaced when the tie rod goes bad. Will replace it with a RE or something else that can be repaired.
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    DOH!

    Get something that holds the track bar bolt in double shear.
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    The death wobble continues. I now replaced my track bar with the HD RE 1660 and my mounting bracket has been replaced the HD bracket. I am at my wits end with chasing this down.I am prepared to pay to get this fixed. Anybody here want the work?
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    xaza previously posted:
    "The track bar and control arms have been on the Jeep a couple years now, long before death wobble started. Axles were replaced with Dana 44's with no death wobble issues. Had a friend borrow it while in town for a week and he put 1000k miles on it with no issues. Bent steering linkage on Spring Creek and have had issues since then. Have since replaced my steering with Rusty's steering upgrade, had wheels rebalanced, and alignment done. I don't know how to measure my caster. I do have a pitch gauge to measure pinion angle though. Oh yeah replaced a wheel bearing because I had a new one sitting here in the box. I am feeling certain that my caster is where it should be because I had run it previously with no issues. I compared the movement of the upper track bar between my brothers Jeep and mine. They both move a bit but in different ways. His shifts side to side slightly (no wobble) mine shifts in and out(up and down)."

    just mty 2 cents!!! I would back track to where it started to happen,just going through the thread and that is what I would do.
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    So I believe my wobble is fixed. Ended up adjusting the control arms in 2 turns. Wobble turned into a shimmy that the stabilizer was able to control. Turned controls arms in 2 more turns and seems to be fixed. Only took on a short test drive when going to ER last night, but feels much more stiff and solid. Here is my new track bar and HD mounting bracket that was installed. Very easy to install, bracket just bolts right in. The lower bolts for new track bar is larger than stock so hole had to be reamed out to 1/2". Got an extra bonus with bracket. My coil springs when flexing used to hit the back side of track bar bracket. New bracket is thinner and leaves much more clearance and should stop from scratching paint off springs again.

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    Puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurdy!
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    Nice, seems like track bars are an issue lately, I just fabbed up a new one for my rig. Glad to see yours appears to be fixed now.
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    Got out for one good wobble free trip, wobbles returned on way to the hills following week. Threw my hands up and took it to 4 wheel parts. They replaced the tie rod ends on new steering and bushings on even newer track bar (less than 300 miles on it). Was pretty sure that wouldn't fix issue but they were insistent. After repairs made wobble still present. They have now resorted to telling me it is because of tires and Rusty's steering. Have swapped the tires for a set of 33s off my brothers Jeep and the wobble seems pretty good except for at 45 mph. speed up it goes away, slow down it goes away. Just replaced all tie rod ends in factory steering so it is ready to go back in when I get a decently warm day. I did space out that we "borrowed" my shackles to make a temporary repair to neighbors Jeep. Going to put them back in which will drop the back 1" and level things back out. Any ideas on what causes speed sensitive wobbles?
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    death wobbles are a ***** thats for certain, ive heard people replace pretty much everything and still didnt figure it out. tie rod was always the go to for me. hrm........ shocks maybe? heard that rumor that it can start from there.
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    xaza previously posted:
    "Any ideas on what causes speed sensitive wobbles?"

    I'm leaning toward tire balance, misalignment, or both.

    I hate doing this over the interweb because I can't look it over, or get a feel when it's acting up.
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    [QUOTE=Hypoid;219416]I'm leaning toward tire balance, misalignment, or both.
    X2, sorry to hear Cliff, these older Jeeps just make you want to scream sometimes, especially when you have it 'fixed'
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    Yeah, I was incredibly lucky to drive this truck lifted for 8 years without any wobble issues. My first experience with this has been pretty rough. Starting to think it might be easier to buy a trailer Not sure if longer shackles are causing any issues but I do know if you let the back end sag it gets wobbles. If anything I would expect my pinion angle to be too steep, sitting at about 6" lift back there with no SYE and stock driveshaft (a longer one from another cherokee with different t-case output shaft. Am looking to get my shackles taken care of today and see. Maybe replace steering. Once steering is swapped I can take it back to 4 wheel parts but would prefer to fix myself. Seems to me they are simply replacing the common fail parts hoping to get it, which is something I can do myself. Was hoping to fix the problem not everything else first(too late) One thing that has me a bit concerned with my service at 4 wheel parts is they initially said the ball joints needed replaced. Once I told them that they were under warranty (from them) with the new axles they changed their minds and said they were fine.
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    Did you check the ball joints? I cant remember but did you change the ride height in the rear? If so that can effectively change the ali settings.

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    Have another shop check your wear parts. I can't think of anything nice to say about 4wheel parts, so I'll STFU on that topic.

    What brand of ball joints came with your G2 axle?
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    So I removed the shackles I had put on my truck temporarily and returned mine. I liked having the little extra, but the last test drive felt to me like that was all that was left. The shackles for my truck which set it level are 5 5/8. The ones we had used while mine were being borrowed were 6 5/8. Just a note, the shackle change was long after wobble...just recently actually. We had used my shackles to level out a neighbors Jeep (raise rear from stock shackle) that had a speed sensitive wobble just like mine had after last test drive. It resolved his issue and we are supposed to be replacing the springs for him, his are way sagged. Well it does appear that leveling me out has finished my issue, but have been here before over last couple months. Hope to play soon and a lot. The tires I borrowed are my brothers new to him 33 x 10.5 x 15 km2 so I decided to check out how well 33s fit
           
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    Well with a little more caster adjustments wobble issue seems resolved. Took to China Wall for anniversary run and then through Woodland Park and the Springs back to Denver with no wobble issues even doing 65-70. I was trying to be patient but with the beautiful weather today I decided to shovel the back yard and start some work.
             
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    Atta boy, to bad you didnt smash your bumper so you could say it was my fault!!!!!!!!!!!! just jokin, glad you could get started on it. Are you still going to powder coat it Gold?
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    Nice! Get it on there!

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    lol, it's always gotta be someones fault Rick. You just happened to be the easiest scape goat. no I am going to enjoy the black it came with. When the time comes it needs a new paint I'll reconsider. Will be easier to visualize when I have my other sliders, racks and cage to determine how much gold will look good without it taking over the trucks color.

    Was a little nervous taking the sawz all to my truck, so I made my brother do it
    Had to remove the old bumper, the recovery hooks and unbolt steering gearbox. I then placed the brackets into place and bolted down gearbox with new supplied bolts. I left the L bracket on front for recovery hooks to be able to bolt down bracket while tightening gearbox bolts to prevent fighting to line up bolts while holding the bumper. I then had to drill additional holes for rest of bolts. That was where I ran out of light and called it a day. Estimate to have it on with another hour of work, would have had it done if I would have gave up and went to get right tool when I knew I needed it.
             
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