1freaky1 previously posted:
" she showed me maps that the Forest service has not printed in twenty years so I ask the cost and to my surprise they are FREE!!!!These have all the trails in those areas on them with road names and #s!"
To answer your question, Rob, "Sean, are those the Motor Vehicle Use Maps (MVUMs)? ", these aren't. Whereas they may list all of the roads, etc., the MVUM are a relatively new thing and wasn't either heard of or in use 20 years ago. I would also be willing to bet that a number of the roads listed on these older maps are either closed to motor vehicle traffic completely now, are hiking trails or simply do not show up on any of the newer maps, including the MVUM maps. There are also roads off of Guenella Pass that don't show up on any of the newer maps. These are now in use as more x ski and hiking trails whether they have a road closed sign up or not. Duck Creek proper is one as we used to be able to drive all the way into that area back in the 70s.
I know this is true of the older Pike National Forest and South Platte maps that I have where areas such as Top of the World/Banner Peak and the back access to Stoney Pass show as still being open to motor vehicles as does the whole area on south side of FS 550, which we also used to drive in for the climbing there. For many years, the FS has been working to simply remove roads from the maps and not show them at all if they have decided that they don't want people driving on them.
Personally, I like the older maps and the older topo maps and don't much care for either the concept or the layout of the MVUM, which, to me, are about as lame as the acronym...