Front Range 4x4 Upcoming Trail Runs - Add a New Trail Run

Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Member
    #1973
    Last Online
    March 7th, 2024
    Location
    Allenspark / Peak-to-Peak Highway
    4x4
    2021 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon Xtreme Recon
    Posts
    2,294
    User Name
    RockyMtRebel
    Real Name
    Matt
    Thanks Given
    401
    Thanked 925 Times in 550 Posts

    Default 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!



    So after 4 months and about $6000, the old Jeep is coming home tomorrow! My son is coming home tonight and helping me get it back home tomorrow... might do a little nearby wheelin' with it to see how it drives with all the new goodies.

    heres the new stuff:

    Brand new skinnier wheels and tires (29"x8.5" Super Swampers)
    New steering
    All new brakes
    New shocks

    Ill take some pics/videos and post up my thoughts....
    ___________
    2005 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon TJ
    2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon Xtreme Recon edition
    2023 Ford F150 Raptor


  2. #2
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Member
    #921
    Last Online
    1 Hour Ago
    Location
    Fort Collins
    4x4
    1990 Jeep Wrangler (YJ)
    Posts
    10,081
    User Name
    Jim
    Real Name
    Jim Williamson
    Thanks Given
    2,485
    Thanked 3,024 Times in 2,012 Posts

    Default Re: 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!



    Congrats!!!!

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Member
    #2006
    Last Online
    July 10th, 2021
    Location
    Amarillo, Texas
    4x4
    04' jeep grand cherokee limited
    Posts
    521
    User Name
    PhillipG65
    Real Name
    Phillip
    Thanks Given
    378
    Thanked 90 Times in 59 Posts

    Default Re: 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!



    WEEEE HE HE HE
    Really wheeling then ???!!!!!!
    Look forward to seeing it !!!!!!!!

  4. #4
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Member
    #834
    Last Online
    April 21st, 2021
    Location
    Colorado Springs
    4x4
    2004 Jeep LJ
    Posts
    1,107
    User Name
    Brian
    Real Name
    Brian
    Thanks Given
    670
    Thanked 354 Times in 249 Posts

    Default Re: 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!



    Hope it werks good dewd!

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Member
    #1973
    Last Online
    March 7th, 2024
    Location
    Allenspark / Peak-to-Peak Highway
    4x4
    2021 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon Xtreme Recon
    Posts
    2,294
    User Name
    RockyMtRebel
    Real Name
    Matt
    Thanks Given
    401
    Thanked 925 Times in 550 Posts

    Default Re: 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!



    Yea it better work good after spending twice what I was expecting!
    ___________
    2005 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon TJ
    2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon Xtreme Recon edition
    2023 Ford F150 Raptor


  6. #6
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Member
    #1589
    Last Online
    July 7th, 2023
    Location
    Lakewood
    Age
    50
    4x4
    2017 JKUR Recon
    Posts
    2,946
    User Name
    dieseldoc
    Real Name
    Brandon
    Thanks Given
    1
    Thanked 397 Times in 351 Posts

    Default Re: 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!



    Parts ain't cheep brother.
    Tires are way over priced now days.

    Good to hear it's coming home.
    Hope you will enjoy your fresher old Iron.
    Love the old ones.
    Wish I would have kept my '52 M38A1.
    It needed some work but it ran and well at that for a Jeep that old!
    ___________
    Crazy- You call me crazy, but you wouldn't know crazy if Charles Manson was eating Fruit Loops on your front porch. Suiciadl tendancies- intatutionalized

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Member
    #2006
    Last Online
    July 10th, 2021
    Location
    Amarillo, Texas
    4x4
    04' jeep grand cherokee limited
    Posts
    521
    User Name
    PhillipG65
    Real Name
    Phillip
    Thanks Given
    378
    Thanked 90 Times in 59 Posts

    Default Re: 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!



    Hows the sweet old jeep after coming home from the Doctor/machanic hospital ??

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Member
    #1973
    Last Online
    March 7th, 2024
    Location
    Allenspark / Peak-to-Peak Highway
    4x4
    2021 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon Xtreme Recon
    Posts
    2,294
    User Name
    RockyMtRebel
    Real Name
    Matt
    Thanks Given
    401
    Thanked 925 Times in 550 Posts

    Default Re: 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!



    It's rides a lot better now with new shocks and the brakes are brand new but don't feel that great ;-/

    The steering is vastly improved, and the new skinny tires are great! The e- brake is supposedly fixed but doesn't seem to be. Probably just coincidence but the oil pressure sensor is no longer working.

    I think this old Jeep is good to go for now, and maybe forever!

    However I am a little disappointed overall in the amount I paid, I'd of thought the brakes would be amazingly responsive but they aren't. I also was told the wheels it had on previously would work with the new skinnier tires I bought and had them sandblasted and powder coated. Turned out the tires were too skinny and then was told I got the wrong tires even though the shop confirmed the size before I bought them (which cost me an additional $500). When I ordered the skinnier wheels I almost ordered the wrong bolt pattern because I was told the wrong info. Luckily I figured out before ordering them... just didn't feel like my project was much of a priority.

    I understand this old mystery Jeep is not an easy project for any shop to take on, so I guess maybe I should have had lower expectations. If I could go back in time I probably wouldn't have done this - but can't go back in time so at least the old Jeep is in a much better place than before - and we will be taking it to Moab (along with my Rubicon) sometime in the spring. Just need to find a long trailer that can carry both so I can use the Ram to haul them out!
    ___________
    2005 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon TJ
    2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon Xtreme Recon edition
    2023 Ford F150 Raptor


  9. #9
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Member
    #921
    Last Online
    1 Hour Ago
    Location
    Fort Collins
    4x4
    1990 Jeep Wrangler (YJ)
    Posts
    10,081
    User Name
    Jim
    Real Name
    Jim Williamson
    Thanks Given
    2,485
    Thanked 3,024 Times in 2,012 Posts

    Default Re: 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!



    Perhaps have someone who's used to "old brakes" (manual master cyl, drum's all around) give it a drive for an eval??

    `had a 68 ford ranch wagon, which I believe was manual with drum all around and while a heavy car I don't recall them as being "poor" brakes.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Member
    #2006
    Last Online
    July 10th, 2021
    Location
    Amarillo, Texas
    4x4
    04' jeep grand cherokee limited
    Posts
    521
    User Name
    PhillipG65
    Real Name
    Phillip
    Thanks Given
    378
    Thanked 90 Times in 59 Posts

    Default Re: 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!



    Seems I'd agree with Jim all my older stuff had tension adjustments
    Once I got that figured out and adjusted the brakes and e-brake were really good
    But sorry to hear of all the troubles back and forth but as you said, can't go back in time
    And it does sound like you might be able to take through a trail for test runs
    I've always been very successful on craigs list as far as finding trailers !!!
    The one I have now was like brand new, always kept in the garage even still has the hairs on the tires, basically traded for my rebuilt trailer CHEEP CHEEP
    The trailer I rebuilt I got for free on craigs list So.... Also helped a few friends find the trailer of their dreams

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Member
    #1546
    Last Online
    2 Hours Ago
    Location
    Bozeman, MT
    Age
    45
    4x4
    1970CJ5 1958WillysWagon
    Posts
    3,702
    User Name
    FINOCJ
    Real Name
    James Orofino
    Thanks Given
    1,275
    Thanked 1,602 Times in 972 Posts

    Default Re: 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!



    Jim previously posted:
    "Perhaps have someone who's used to "old brakes" (manual master cyl, drum's all around) give it a drive for an eval??

    `had a 68 ford ranch wagon, which I believe was manual with drum all around and while a heavy car I don't recall them as being "poor" brakes."



    Sorry you had so much trouble with the wheels - seems like that should be standard info. The skinny tires will work well on these old jeeps and help the old F134 feel a bit peppier and keep the steering a bit more functional. I wish I could run 33x9.5 - hard to find these days. As you say, its probably time to just drive it as is for a while and see how its doing.

    If the willys is still running the OEM style 9" brakes - there is nothing that can be done to make them feel good. At best you can make them feel like they 'kinda' work. Mostly they just don't work. The 9" brakes were not really functional on the original MBs and CJ2As - you m170 is quite a bit heavier. The 10" bendix style brakes from 66-71 (with v6 only) are adequate for stock tires and up to 30 or 31". Its bolt on and there is a set for sale on FoCo CL. That is what I ran for quite a lot of years on my cj5. They certainly don't feel great - but the bendix design allows for quite a bit of stopping power if you press really hard (its probably the best non-power design drum brake you can get). If you can push the pedal hard enough, they will work better. I finally upgraded to 11" bendix drums after trying to make the 10" work with my 33s. WAY BETTER! I only did the front drum and its still is WAY BETTER. 11" bendix drums were used on ford trucks of the era quite nicely (maybe even the 68 ford ranch wagon). Disc brakes will help with wet and mud - but as there is no power assist, the 11" drums are equal in dry conditions (I had manual front discs on my previous cj). The bendix also automatically adjust when you drive in reverse and apply the brakes...sometimes I just go forward and back a few times with hard stops to get them adjusted. Can't remember how the 9" adjust off hand - will check the manual.

    Another thing - the jeep owners manual doesn't call it an emergency brake. It very specifically states its a parking brake (seriously - this is long referenced issue with jeep that actually ended up in some legal court case at some point). Its a driveline mounted 9" drum - even when brand new and in full working condition it will not stop a moving vehicle (4 of them barely stop a jeep). Don't worry, after a few weeks the leaking D18 will ooze oil onto the drum and then it won't work as a parking brake either. But, there is an adjuster screw inside the brake drum that will help.

    Its a 1955 jeep - which is old - but its build on technology from the 1940s! Think of what a computer from 80 years ago is capable of.....

    I like driving my jeep more than wrenching - really I do! But I spend more time wrenching than I like cause most shops can't do anything better with it than I can do and they charge a ton. I don't know anything about fixing vehicles - but anyone can fix old jeeps with 1/2" wrench and a bunch of degreaser. And stuff breaks all the time...and its hard to get parts for...and when you do find parts, its OMIX-ADA junk. The 71 cj5 you ran with the other day had its issues as well - there is a reason old iron groups exist. You gotta like the old iron as much as the wheeling sometimes. Any day it returns to the house under its own power is a good day...and every once in a while it will surprise everyone with what this old iron is capable of. I'd love to build an old jeep up to a reliable modern wheeler - figuring over 10k if I do the work...20k+ if a shop does it. And of course, whatever you expect the bill to be...double it.
    ___________
    James Orofino
    1970 CJ5
    1958 Willys Wagon

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Member
    #921
    Last Online
    1 Hour Ago
    Location
    Fort Collins
    4x4
    1990 Jeep Wrangler (YJ)
    Posts
    10,081
    User Name
    Jim
    Real Name
    Jim Williamson
    Thanks Given
    2,485
    Thanked 3,024 Times in 2,012 Posts

    Default Re: 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!



    FINOCJ previously posted:
    "Don't worry, after a few weeks the leaking D18 will ooze oil onto the drum and then it won't work as a parking brake either."

    LOLOLOLOL

    Re: parking/emergency brake. I see your point with a bit of elaboration: I had a lawn tractor and it used a driveshaft brake. One day, on a rough asphalt driveway with a decent downhill I hit the brake (yes, singular) hard - one wheel rolled forward as I was moving and the other was spinning 2x the speed in reverse - not slowing me down one bit...

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Member
    #110
    Last Online
    April 6th, 2019
    Location
    Morrison, CO
    Age
    49
    4x4
    Toyota/Scout/Nissan
    Posts
    4,961
    User Name
    Patrolman
    Real Name
    Jeff
    Thanks Given
    182
    Thanked 346 Times in 298 Posts

    Default Re: 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!



    As the saying goes, it is always cheaper to buy a vehicle where all the work is done than to pay someone to do it. Mechanics and body shops aren't cheap...

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Member
    #1973
    Last Online
    March 7th, 2024
    Location
    Allenspark / Peak-to-Peak Highway
    4x4
    2021 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon Xtreme Recon
    Posts
    2,294
    User Name
    RockyMtRebel
    Real Name
    Matt
    Thanks Given
    401
    Thanked 925 Times in 550 Posts

    Default Re: 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!



    FINOCJ previously posted:
    "And of course, whatever you expect the bill to be...double it."

    This is the truth
    ___________
    2005 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon TJ
    2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon Xtreme Recon edition
    2023 Ford F150 Raptor


  15. #15
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Member
    #1546
    Last Online
    2 Hours Ago
    Location
    Bozeman, MT
    Age
    45
    4x4
    1970CJ5 1958WillysWagon
    Posts
    3,702
    User Name
    FINOCJ
    Real Name
    James Orofino
    Thanks Given
    1,275
    Thanked 1,602 Times in 972 Posts

    Default Re: 1955 Jeep Willy's M170 - coming home with upgrades tomorrow!!



    The good news is thoughts of the money spent will fade as the jeep is driven and enjoyed. The cost of my engine rebuild has been fading quickly over the summer as it ran without problems on a lot of trail runs. The ever continuing desire to improve these old jeeps is difficult on the budget...and frustrating when it doesn't seem to give a lot of return on the investment. Driving it is the best return you can get - think you will enjoy it as you drive it.

    I am fighting a similar deal right now - putting on a new suspension to improve flex etc. Hoping it will ride better and wheel better. Realistically, there is only so much that can be done to these old jeeps. I know I am getting my hopes up that it will be amazingly improved ride and the articulation will be so nice I won't ever spin a wheel again. But it probably won't be anywhere near that...and I'll be a bit disappointed in the money I spent and time and effort and nickel and dime expenses that seem to crop up as well for new hardware and bushing etc...Just keep driving it.
    ___________
    James Orofino
    1970 CJ5
    1958 Willys Wagon

Similar Threads

  1. '55 Jeep Willy's M-170 - hauled to All Seasons 4x4
    By RockyMtRebel in forum Build Threads
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: August 30th, 2017, 05:49 PM
  2. Jeep Upgrades
    By cmeyer in forum Build Threads
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: February 5th, 2014, 07:13 AM
  3. 1955 Suburban
    By Patrolman in forum Cool Finds
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: January 2nd, 2014, 12:20 AM
  4. DKDunn - Coming Home??
    By Aaron in forum General Topics
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: September 24th, 2011, 12:40 PM
  5. Jeep Home Brew Dual T Cases
    By Brody in forum Tech Links
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: November 28th, 2010, 08:07 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
BACK TO TOP