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    Hypoid previously posted:
    "I'll try to get more in-depth about the roads that are not on the MVUM."

    Through my volunteer work in the Forest Service Adopt-a-Road program, I have had a lot of things explained to me:

    You can't take just one map. Topo maps don't show you the MVUM, the MVUM shows only roads designated to motorized travel, and property lines for the National Forest. On the MVUM, shaded areas are National Forest, un-shaded areas are not. If the property owner gives the Forest Service an easement across their land, you will see a F.S. designated road marked on un-shaded areas of the MVUM. If the Forest Service does not have an easement, the designation for motorized travel ends at that property line. The road that continues from the property line is designated as "user created" and may, or may not have signs on the ground to restrict traffic.

    Someone already mentioned the Travel Management Rule, announced in 2005. Many of these roads predate that rule by 140 years, they don't cease to exist because someone waved a pencil in the air. Some of these roads may service things like cell towers, radio repeaters, or weather stations. Access may be restricted to service vehicles. Some of these roads may not be clearly marked as the end of the MVUM, or markers may have been vandalized by that 1% who have no concern for their actions. Just to keep things confusing, there are still signs pointing to areas that have since been closed.

    I am glad your area is well marked. The primary system that I volunteer on will get new signs this year, a lot of new signs.
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    I am back. Didn't make to the end of the trail. It drops down farely steeply, and the trail was snow covered and I was alone never having been on it.

    I only saw one sign. It was right at the start of the trail. I saw one large well used trail and several smaller. The large one takes off to the left shortly after the start. Its as or more used than the one one the mvum. I didn't take it. I did a video and will post it sometime this weekend.

    Just my $.02 on legal vs non legal in this area. I don't know. I could see how one could easily get out of a ticket, but if I was using the area I think I'd call the canyon lakes district office and discuss it with them.
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    i went back up today with a wheeling buddy. The intention was to use my gps to track as many trails as possible. That all worked well. Got back to the trail head and and saved the tracks. They looked great while on the gps. When I got home and reloaded them they were crap.

    Anyway here is what I deduced. The first trail, well used, on the left goes to a really nice camp site and is probably legal. The next trail on the left is much fainter but forms a loop that comes back in further up. This trail is likely also legal as there are numerous campsites along it.

    Just prior to where the trail on the mvum makes a sharp jog to the right is another trail heading to the right. It goes past what appears to be an old granite quarry. When you get to this point is seems like that is the trail on the mvum, but its not. Its the one on my video. We took this as far as we could.The track just gets fainter and fainter until it ends. There are numerous wooptidoos on this stretch. I believe that they are an old attempt by the forests service to block off this trail. Near this stretch while on the mvum trail is a carsonite sign blocking an old trail that headed over to the one I am discussing. It say no motor vehicles. I am pretty convinced this is an illegal trail.

    Just my observations.
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    I think you are right! When I watched your video I was thinking you went down the whoopdeedoo trail (it was so fast I couldn't tell for sure). I believe I drove that trail last summer in my old '55 Jeep. Now I always take the other trails you mentioned, as I felt those were more likely the correct trails.

    this picture is me at the end of the main trail, a very nice camp spot (or picnic scenic overlook)
         

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