Pay-to-Play Trails??

[Java]

This is making the rounds online, sorry if it's on here already. I'd like to see some evidence of the use of funds- they say it's to "build, maintain and ensure continued access" and I'd like to see some evidence of that happening over the last couple of years before I pay. I don't mean that as a confrontation, I'd just like to see it. Anyone know of any actual use of these funds?


http://www.staythetrail.org/content....dule_id=247561


"In addition to the many miles of Off-Highway Vehicle trails and ‘roads open to all vehicles’, there are a number of Full Size Trails open for recreational travel in Colorado. Although these trails allow for full width vehicles, they differ from most BLM and U.S. Forest Service roads as they are designed for recreational, motorized use rather than simply for transportation. A Colorado Off-Highway Vehicle Permit is therefore required on any licensed/plated vehicle that is used for recreation on these trails. This $25.25 permit must be displayed on any full size vehicle traveling these trails even if that vehicle has a currently registered license plate from Colorado or any other state.

The funds collected from the sale of these OHV permits is used to build, maintain, and ensure the continued access to these trails for motorized and non-motorized users. A list of full size routes which hold a ‘trail’ designation in Colorado can be found in this brochure. However, it is always recommended to contact the local land management office with questions regarding any specific trail and any current closures or restrictions that may be in place.

Visit the Colorado Parks & Wildlife website to read more information on how to purchase OHV registrations and permits, and the projects that the OHV Registration program funds, call (303) 791-1920, or visit one of the OHV Registration Locations."

[newracer]

I personally helped get a grant from this fund for work on Kelly Flats that was in excess of $55,000.

I know Trailridge Runners have helped obtain grants for work on Lefthand Canyon and Middle St Vrain/Coney Flats.

[newracer]

Past grants can be viewed here

http://cpw.state.co.us/aboutus/Pages...tsOHVApps.aspx

I know you will say that most of them are for motorcycle and ATV trails but historically that is who paid into the program and who applied fro grants. When I worked on getting the grant for Kelly Flats the first thing the committee asked me was how many people in my club had OHV permits. I had to answer that it was very few. They responded with how can they ethically give money to a group that does not support the very fund it is requesting money from. They had a very good point.

[Java]

I'd pay it just for Middle St.Vrain / Coney Flats, that's one of my favorite runs. I'm going to buy one, hopefully some of it will go to reopening Lefthand!!

Thanks for the info!

[Spieg]

Would like to see a map showing the fee areas. Hancock Pass Trail for example, is a pretty long trail with multiple spur trails. If you consider it to start near St Elmo, then you would need a permit to get to Grizzly Lake, Iron Chest, Pomeroy, etc... even though those trails are not on the list.

[Java]

And Tincup is on the list, so to do the loop you'd need the sticker. I bet that's for all the ATVs there. I'm surprised the Alpine Loop isn't on the list, Engineer and Cinnamon are clearly recreational...?

[dscowell]

So what I got from reading this is that only some trails require a permit right? I'd say if anyone plans a trail run on one of these trails it would be appropriate to let the people going know that the permit is required so no one shows up with out one.

[Jim]

Paul previously posted:

[Chris]

Jim previously posted:

[JandDGreens]

So this is a yearly fee right? I always thought it would be a good idea to be able to support what we do up there financially. Thanks for bringing this up.

[JandDGreens]

I went ahead and called to ask about it. And as of 5 years ago licensed vehicle on trails open to atv's and such require a pass and 3 years ago they started enforcing it.

[Jim]

What entity controls / owns the land these trails are on? Is this public land?

I'm not implying "no way to fees", but rather simply curious. What makes these trails different from others?

[Stu]

I had no idea this requirement existed. I've run a number of those trails in the past year or two, even run into forest rangers on a couple of them and they never mentioned my lack of an OHV sticker.

[newracer]

JandDGreens previously posted:

[JandDGreens]

I just don't want to hassle with worrying if I am going to be harassed or not and $25.25 to me is fair way to help keep trails open. They said 5 years ago it was supposed to be implemented but I think they would only were warning (educate) people for the past couple of years and probably only citing people going off trails or being disrespectful on the trails.
But it clearly states as of January 1 2017 it is required.

[dieseldoc]

hmmm.....more fees to use wthe land...hmmmm

[Spieg]

I wish the funds were guaranteed to go toward keeping trails open, rather than closing trails and lobbying for more money.

[JandDGreens]

Well it just makes me wonder if the same goes for others states. As people from out of state will also tech. need this permit for many of the trails up here.

[cornpone99]

Thanks for the heads up. I will definitely be getting a sticker. I already have to for the Atv's.

[dieseldoc]

not so sure about this, last I knew once you get OHV sticker it can be driven on the stret.
Am so confussed by this