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    Here are the U-joints

    This one should be the one at the axle



    Here is the one at the t-case. It is missing the grease zerk because it broke off while I was replacing it. The zerk worked fine before I replaced it.




    This is one of the cups. Its not the best picture but all of the needle bearing from all of the cups were straight but they were not all the same length... is the normal wear?


    Sorry for the pictures being so big.

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    dscowell previously posted:
    "Here are the U-joints




    Here is the one at the t-case. It is missing the grease zerk because it broke off while I was replacing it. The zerk worked fine before I replaced it.

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    Wipe the grease off the ends where the bearings ride and look for straight lines in the metal itself.

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    Can you clean them off, need to see the cross clean to know if you having any bind that is creating any Birneling.

    They have good grease in them.
    The cups don't seem to show any heat build up.

    Before you pulled them out did you spin the cups and move the cross for the side still in the drive shaft???

    Am looking for any binging.

    For the drive shaft side, measure the ears outer most point and then inner most point of the hole.
    If there is any difference this will cause bind and thus your issues.

    The joints seem in good shape,

    Back to the slip yoke, do you have at least 1" of travel from the yoke.

    My TJ drive shaft was binding and not sliding. This caused issues.
    Kind you your drive what is far longer and has better angles on it than my TJ
    But if the slip is not doing it's job your u-joint will take the beating.

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    Hypoid previously posted:
    "Wipe the grease off the ends where the bearings ride and look for straight lines in the metal itself."

    X2 on this, you can see some lines in the grease on one of these.

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    dscowell previously posted:
    "...the needle bearing from all of the cups were straight but they were not all the same length... is the normal wear?"

    Not normal as far as I've seen. Bearings should all be identical. How much difference in size is there?

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    X2 on this as well.
    Should be the same length and thickness.

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    dieseldoc previously posted:
    "Before you pulled them out did you spin the cups and move the cross for the side still in the drive shaft???"

    Yes everything was tight and seemed to be in correct working order. No jiggling back in forth while installed but it was slightly loose on the driveshaft end in that I could turn the joint while installed easier then a new joint but nothing that bad.


    dieseldoc previously posted:
    "Back to the slip yoke, do you have at least 1" of travel from the yoke."

    Only about 0.5" from the seal on the yoke.

    Here is the cleaned joints (I should have done this originally my bad.)
    T-case joint. This one had no unusual color or makes on any of the end so I didn't take any pictures of them.


    Axle joint. Not terribly easy to see but the top and left ends of the joint have a slightly darker color that doesn't cover the entire end but most of it. I'm assuming the discoloration is due to heat


    Here is one of the ends. This end has some marking as well as another end. Both of them with the marks were also the ones with the discoloration.


    Here is the end exactly opposite of the one in the picture above. This one has the worse of the markings the end opposite of this one (in the picture above has some smaller markings)


    The joint on the T-case end looks to be in good condition from what I can see no discoloration or marks on the ends or in the middle of the joint. The joint of the axle end has two ends with markings along the side (both ends are next to each other). It also has two ends on the top with markings (opposite of each other).

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    Spieg previously posted:
    "Not normal as far as I've seen. Bearings should all be identical. How much difference in size is there?"

    I'd say a significant amount. Some of the cups all the needle bearing are the same length some are an 1/8 in size shorter then the normal ones. This is something that happened with both joints. 3 of the 8 cups has needle bearing that are all identical. One from the axle end joint and two from the T-case end.

    I marked the tops so it's easier to see

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    The discolor and marking is showing a lot of wear.
    Looks like the chrome is worn off and starting to have Birneling.
    The groves are from the needles not moving.
    I am willing to bet the drive shaft has come out at some point and is no longer parallel.
    One of the ears on the shaft yoke is twisted.
    This you are getting bind and no amount of lube will keep this from happening again.

    Get the calipers out and measure the ears in at least 4 places the measurements should be the same.
    I bet one of the ears is twisted.

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    Last year around this time I was having the same problem and couldn't figure out what the problem was and the joint by the axle blew up on me. When it blew up it took a good chuck out of the ear on that end but it was still intact to still use. But the joint that blew up was still squeaking before that happened. I never had this problem til the new axle was in place. It shouldn't be the driveshaft unless it's the length because it was not a problem before this happened last year it has to be the axle or something related.

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    Hmmm....sounds like time to hunt down a drive shaft.
    Or have the rear ear replaced.

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    alright...

    So I guess my last question is why did I only hear the U-joint between 2500-3000 rpm?

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    U-joints shouldn't make noise based on rpm. Only speed. Maybe it's not the u-joints that you are hearing.

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    dscowell previously posted:
    "So I guess my last question is why did I only hear the U-joint between 2500-3000 rpm?"

    A driveline item's noise is more tied with wheel speed (MPH) and possibly load (push'n on the gas pedal light/hard, coasting, or decelerating) than engine RPM.

    For a driveline item to have a match with engine RPM I wonder if there's a coincidence with when you notice it - is it when you're cruising on the highway (in top gear) at 2500-3000 RPM where engine RPM then is matching wheel MPH. See if you could keep the same MPH, but change gears (change your RPM) and see if the noise stays audible at that MPH.

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    Jim previously posted:
    "For a driveline item to have a match with engine RPM I wonder if there's a coincidence with when you notice it - is it when you're cruising on the highway (in top gear) at 2500-3000 RPM where engine RPM then is matching wheel MPH. See if you could keep the same MPH, but change gears (change your RPM) and see if the noise stays audible at that MPH."

    The RPM range is where I hear the noise. So say I'm in 2nd gear going 30 at 3000 RPM (this is hypothetical) I hear the squeaking but if I'm in 3rd gear going 30 at 2000 RPM I don't hear it. Same with faster speeds 70 in 4th gear I hear it but not in 5th. Also if I'm going down a hill or up a hill and my speed and RPM changes to the 2500-3000 RPM range I hear it. I could have my foot completely off the accelerator slowing down or coasting the noise would still be present and same with the accelerator all the way to the floor. The only factor I noticed that causes the noise is the RPM not the speed or how much throttle I give my truck.

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    Can you sit in neutral, stopped / not rolling, rev the motor to the desired RPM and reproduce the noise?

    If yes, I'd be looking at something motor related (front of motor accessory belt bearing perhaps)

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    If the truck is not moving there is no noise. Once the joints were replaced the noise is no longer there that's why I assumed they were the cause of the noise.

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    hmmm......I think u-joint was going out yes.
    but the noise being only at said rpm
    that a u-joint for ya.
    had some front shaft joint that would only cause issues if I hit a bump at a very specific speed.
    other wise smooth and quite

    I think you still have an underlying issue.

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    Okay so lets say you guys are right and the joint is not the primary cause of the noise... where should I start my search for the problem?

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    Rear diff.
    As the u-joint was the axle side joint that's where you should start.

    I still am not sure what is causing the damage you have.

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