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    Just a lil wiggling usually gets its started for me, then it's all gravy from there.

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    I beat the crap out of the perimeter of the bell housing with a rubber mallet, heated up the sides where the guides are, moved the jack and bench pressed it on angles until it came loose, then worked myself out and the jack back under it. There was a layer of something acting as an adhesive between the surfaces, I'm guessing related to the rear main seal leak I fixed in 2014, the bellhousing is pretty grimy inside. And the throwout bearing is definitely shot, sounds like a little box of rocks.

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    time to clean it up.
    A slight hit of antiseize would be a good Idea to.
    I love that stuff.

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    progress, it's all disassembled except for the flywheel, it looks perfect so I'm going to just emery cloth and degrease it in place. I don't have a pilot bearing puller so I'll be doing this tomorrow:



    some pics, the transmission out and cleaned- it still has a heavy film of oil all over the inside, I'll get on that but it's clean enough to work on. I can't roll it out from under the Jeep on the jack, but I can reach it well enough. I'm going to replace the clutch pivot and input seal along with the fork, springs and bearing. You can see the old clutch next to the new one, the LUK is thicker and has a lot more surface area and some visible differences that are all in favor of the LUK. It feels better all around compared to the OEM which has the brand name Sachs on it. You can see what failed in the throwout bearing, the plastic liner disintergrated. I put the options next to it, smaller plastic or solid steel, seems like a NB.

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    Nice work Paul!! Clutch went out in my 2001 Eclipse Spyder GT back around 2008/2009 or so. All I could afford at the time was a cheapy Auto Zone clutch. I spent a weekend at work in the shop getting it in. It lasted about 1.5 years. I swore I would never do the clutch in that car again, so off to my buddies' shop it went. He put a LUK in it and that's what is still in today, no problems. From now on, if I can't afford a LUK at the time, I'll wait till I can!! Good luck with the rest of it.

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    Patrolman previously posted:
    "Even though it is hydraulic, there should still be an adjustment on the pedal. If it is out of adjustment one direction, it can wear out the throwout bearing prematurely (most common). If it is out of adjustment the other direction the gears can be difficult to shift (less likely). The FSM should give the measurements for the pedal and how to adjust it."

    Chicken dinner!! Just ordered a new rod from Moparpartsgiant.com to address this.

    I found this here: http://www.jkowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84046


    Ok so apparently there is a TSB concerning incorrect factory preload on throw-out bearing.

    Adding a washer or spacer to the pivot stud. Extending the pivot side of the forks and increasing the angle to the slave cylinder, to create more clearance between Throw-out bearing and pressure plate springs. At least that is what I gather from the TSB.


    This bulletin is supplied as technical information only and is not an authorization for repair. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system,
    or transmitted, in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, or otherwise, without written permission of DaimlerChrysler Corporation.
    SUBJECT:
    Squeal-Like Sound Due To Incorrect Pre-Load On Clutch Throw-Out Bearing
    OVERVIEW:
    This bulletin involves diagnosing the clutch throw-out bearing for an incorrect pre-load
    condition and making the appropriate repairs.
    MODELS:
    2007 (JK) Wrangler
    2006 (TJ) Wrangler
    NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles equipped with a NSG370 manual
    transmission (sales code DEH).
    SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
    The customer may experience a squeal-like sound coming from the clutch throw-out
    bearing when the clutch pedal is fully released.
    DIAGNOSIS:
    1. Firmly set the vehicle parking brake.
    2. Shift the transmission into neutral.
    3. Depress the clutch pedal and start the vehicle engine.
    4. With the transmission in neutral, release the clutch pedal
    5. Is a squeal-like sound present and is it coming from the clutch throw-out bearing?
    a. If YES >>> then proceed to the next step.
    b. If NO >>> then this bulletin does not apply. Further diagnosis is required.
    6. With the transmission in neutral and engine running, slowly depress the clutch pedal.
    NOTE: If the pre-load is incorrect on the throw-out bearing, then the squeal-like
    sound should stop when the clutch pedal is depress by an inch or more.
    7. Does the throw-out bearing squeal-like sound disappear once the clutch pedal is
    depressed by an inch or more?
    a. If YES >>> then perform the Repair Procedure
    b. If NO >>> then this Bulletin does not apply. The squeal-like sound is not caused by
    incorrect pre-load on the throw-out bearing. Further diagnosis is required.
    NUMBER: 06-002-07
    GROUP: Clutch
    DATE: February 27, 2007
    PARTS REQUIRED:
    Qty. Part No. Description
    1 68031889AA Rod, Clutch Slave Cylinder Actuator (TJ)
    2 06100882 Washer, Spacer (JK)
    (AR) 2 04874464 Lubricant, Mopar Manual Transmission (MS-9224) -
    (JK)
    1 04318032 Adhesive, Stud N' Bearing Mount (JK)
    (AR) 1 53008342 Bearing, Throw-out (JK)
    REPAIR PROCEDURE:
    TJ PROCEDURE:
    1. With the vehicle transmission a neutral position, raise the vehicle on a suitable lift.
    2. Remove the mounting nuts used to secure the slave cylinder to the transmission bell
    housing.
    3. As an assembly, remove the slave cylinder, hydraulic line, and actuator rod from the
    transmission bell housing.
    4. Replace the slave cylinder actuator rod.
    5. Install the slave cylinder to the transmission bell housing.
    6. Verify that the actuator rod is properly seated to the clutch release fork.
    7. Install the slave cylinder mounting nuts. Tighten the nuts to 23 Nm (17 ft. lbs.).
    8. Lower vehicle.
    9. Verify clutch system operates correctly.

    JK PROCEDURE:
    1. Remove the manual transmission. Refer to TechCONNECT for detailed removal
    procedures. Select the Service Info tab > 21 - Transmission and Transfer Case >
    Manual Transmission - NSG370 > Removal.
    2. Remove the clutch throw-out bearing and clutch release fork from the transmission.
    3. Remove the clutch release fork pivot stud with cone washer from the transmission.
    4. Inspect the pivot stud and cone washer closely. Note the orientation of the cone
    washer on the pivot stud (opens towards transmission housing).
    5. Clean the release fork pivot stud threads.
    6. Noting cone washer orientation, remove the existing cone washer from the pivot stud
    and install the two (2) new washers (as spacers) to the pivot stud.
    7. Install the existing cone washer on to the release fork pivot stud. Verify that the cone
    washer opens towards the transmission housing.
    8. Apply Stud N' Bearing Mount Adhesive to the threads of the release fork pivot.
    9. Install the release fork pivot (with 2 washers and 1 cone washer) to the transmission.
    Tighten the fork pivot to 20 Nm (14.75 ft. lbs.).
    NOTE: The cone washer should be against the transmission housing and
    under/below the two spacing washers when pivot stud is installed to
    transmission.
    10. Lubricate the input shaft splines, throw-out bearing retainer slide surface, release fork
    and release fork pivot surface.
    06-002-07 -2-
    11. Inspect the throw-out bearing. Rotate the bearing to determine if bearing rotation is
    smooth or rough. Replace the throw-out bearing if bearing rotation is rough.
    12. Install the release fork and throw-out bearing to the transmission.
    13. Install the manual transmission. Refer to TechCONNECT for detailed removal
    procedures. Select the Service Info tab > 21 - Transmission and Transfer Case >
    Manual Transmission - NSG370 > Installation.
    14. Verify transmission fluid level.
    15. Verify clutch system operates correctly.
    POLICY:
    Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty.
    TIME ALLOWANCE:
    Labor Operation No: Description Amount
    06-40-05-90 Replace - Hydraulic Clutch
    Actuator Rod - TJ (B)
    0.4 Hrs.
    06-40-05-91 Replace - Clutch Release
    Bearing and Add Shims - JK 4x2
    (B)
    2.4 Hrs.
    06-40-05-92 Replace - Clutch Release
    Bearing and Add Shims - JK 4x4
    (B)
    3.5 Hrs.
    FAILURE CODE:
    ZZ Service Action
    -3- 06-002-07

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    so it turns out my 06 jeep is too old, they don't make this part anymore. I got this email this morning:

    "Thank you for ordering parts with us.
    We are writing to inform you that order C601686 has been voided. Your order has been voided because of the following reason(s): The ordered part(s) have been discontinued (no longer available) and/or is backordered with no ETA date by the manufacture.

    If you have further questions, contact us.

    Regards,
    Customer Service
    Moparpartsgiant.com"

    so it seems the fix is to replace the whole assembly:

    http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/j...assembly,10290


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    Nice work Paul.
    Good to see you got the better clutch.
    The luck has dam near dubble the surface area.
    Keep plugging away at it.
    You will be very happy when you are said and done.
    Better clutch and the satisfaction of doing it yourself.

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    so the bread / pilot bearing trick actually works. the bolt with duct tape does not, I switched to an aluminum drift that was a tighter fit, banged it and rebreaded it a couple of times, and it worked. FYI less than one slice of wheat bread, not sure how much white or muffin it would take. Easy clean up too, some PB Blaster on a paper towel dissolved the remaining bread.

    Next issue, the drain plug on the transmission is frozen in place, it started stripping the second I started turning it. It uses a 17mm Allen head or bolt and that area is what is rounding out. I think I'm going to tip it sideways and drain it from the fill hole and just not deal with the drain.

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    Nice trick.

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    That is a great trick!

    On the transmission bolt, try some propane heat. That has worked some for me in the past. Typically before I pull any trans/t-case I make sure that I can both the drain plug and fill plugs loose. I made the mistake long ago of draining a transmission and then couldn't get the fill plug out!

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    the never ending project continues, I've really got no time for this so ofcourse it keeps demanding more... I got the clutch and pilot bearing in, got the transmission drain plug out and replaced the input shaft seal. Just about done when the stud for the clutch pivot snapped off inside the housing. You can see it broke flush inside and protrudes just a little outside. I tried getting an extractor on the outside and just continuing but it's too short, the extractor spun. Looks like it's a trip to Harbor Freight tomorrow for drill bits and easy outs. It's always something!

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    So in the interest of this project never ******* ending, the stud for the clutch pivot is broken off in the housing and I drilled it, put in an extractor and broke that off too. That was a bear to get out, no drill bits would cut the broken extractor, I killed my dremel grinding it down and finally managed to get past it; drilled all the way through the bolt, then expanded that hole and tried another extractor. It won't budge, and the hole is offcenter so I can't expand it anymore without damaging the housing. I've tried heat, hammer, chisel and extractors, now I have a drilled out bolt in a messed up hole. I'm not sure what to do next, I'm going to try a small file to just destroy the rest of the bolt. Any ideas? Although I'm hesitant to try another one, anybody know any shops that can handle this? I'll probably have to get the hole welded (aluminum) and redrilled.

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    Get another dremel, a carbide bit, and keep working on the bolt. Once you get the bolt out, buy, or have a shop install a TIME-SERT.



    Count your blessings Paul; this happened at home.

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    good advice all around, Mike. I am lucky it's in my garage and not on the side of the road.

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    After sleeping on the idea, I have to wonder how much aluminum will be left after boring for a TIMESERT or a Helicoil. Try to preserve the surrounding aluminum while you are working on the bolt.

    I'll be in you neighborhood again today, looking for a coolant leak on an XJ.

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    bought a new dremel today and two carbide bits, just incase. I won't have time again to work on it until Thursday, hopefully I'll get this done then. Carefully...

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    I got a break this week and got out of Jury Duty early (hooray!) so I had time today to get this done. A big thanks to Mike for suggesting the dremel / carbide bit, it ate up the old bolt so quickly I had to use it on low. I cut the bolt across from the lopsided hole I already made until I could see threads, then heated it up with a heat gun for a long time. It began to separate from the heat, then I beat it up with a punch and hammer until it pulled away a little more. I got it out from the outside with a screwdriver, cleaned it up with a tap and had a lot of solid thread left in the case. I filled the hole and covered the new pivot with JB Weld, and put a nut on the outside filled with JB Weld too as backup. There is a slim chance I'll make the anniversary run if I can rearrange the next couple of days and finish up.

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    wow paul sorry to see you are having so many issues with your transmission.
    I hope you can get this thing back up and running soon.

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    dieseldoc previously posted:
    "wow paul sorry to see you are having so many issues with your transmission.
    I hope you can get this thing back up and running soon."

    Is this the Jeep thing I keep hearing so much about? LOL.

    Nice job paul, not an easy task to tackle for sure. Hope to see you up there this weekend!!

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